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welcome back to paranormal now I'm your

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host Alan B Smith and tonight we have a

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great show one of my most favorite

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topics of all time is definitely the

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Bermuda Triangle that's it but what we

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have in store for you tonight however in

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this case we are covering is such a

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broad territory of cross applied topics

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in conjunction with the Bermuda Triangle

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if it sounds a little funky because it

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can seem a little funky but with this

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book it's not as funky and it might

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actually sound quite real and possible

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and to all the listeners who are just

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tuning in to paranormal now for the

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first time I welcome you this is a

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podcast though we scheduled our show

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yeah Jonas you know we have a cavalcade

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of exciting topics and you know we surf

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our cosmic highway of paranormal

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landmines every week and we have a

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really good time and we have some really

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great guests on tonight they are the

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authors of beyond the Bermuda Triangle

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true encounters with electronic fog

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missing aircraft and time warps Bruce

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Gernon is a certified seaplane flight

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instructor and a master captain with a

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Coast Guard license a real estate broker

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commercial building contractor and owner

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of keys properties Bruce has appeared in

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36 cable channel documentaries about the

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Bermuda Triangle in which he describes

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his space time or experience often as

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the featured interview he also coined

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the term electronic fog

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Bruce resides in Boynton Beach Florida

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with his wife Lynn co-author Rob

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MacGregor Coe often also the fog with

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Bruce Gernon and has published 20 novels

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and 24 non-fiction books an author of

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seven Indiana Jones novels he has been

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on the New York Times bestseller list

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and is a winner of the edgar allan poe

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award for mystery writing for his novel

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prophecy rock his most recent nonfiction

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title is sensing the future a field

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guide to precognition

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co-authored with his wife Trish McGregor

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the MacGregors resided in Wellington

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Florida Bruce and Rob welcome to

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paranormal now thank you good day yeah

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I'm glad you guys are so okay this

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there's so many wide ranges of topics

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within this one book I'm not exactly

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sure where to start so actually I'll let

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Bruce because so much of this is part of

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your story could you tell us a little

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bit about your journey including your

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personal journey your actual journey but

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then the preceding journey of how you

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came to write this book well it all

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started on December 4th of 1970 where I

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had this phenomenal experience flying an

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airplane from Andros Island in the

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Bahamas back to Palm Beach International

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Airport and I had made this flight the

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dozen times before a two-way journey

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from Andros and back to Palm Beach but

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on this particular day an incredible

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thing happened and I've been researched

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and ever since then now for 47 years

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I've been researching the Bermuda

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Triangle longer than any living person

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mm-hmm so I've collected a lot of

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information about it and then I teamed

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up with Rob it was one of the greatest

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writers in the world and we've come up

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with our second book now in this subject

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has called the fog the fog right and how

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did you guys initially make contact that

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was kind of interesting there was an

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article in the Palm Beach Post about me

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I think was related to my Indiana Jones

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novels that I'd written had written

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seven Indiana Jones novels including the

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Bruce saw that and decided to contact me

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and because he was interested in writing

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this book about the Bermuda Triangle

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well it turns out that he only lived

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a mile and a half away from me and and

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we belong to the same gym so we just

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started seeing each other at the gym

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talking about it and as a little

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hesitant at first because I had other

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things on the plate at the time but he

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kept he was persistent kept after me and

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finally I said okay let's take a look at

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this material and I start working with

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it and working with Bruce and you know

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at first I was somewhat skeptical about

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the Bermuda Triangle but tomorrow I

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talked to Bruce Moore I saw all these

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other stories I realized that there's

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something there and that it's it's real

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mystery and in spite of all the skeptics

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who try to debunk it there's really

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something there and as Bruce always says

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if those skeptics were in that airplane

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with me as we flew through that tunnel

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and moved ahead 90 or 100 miles

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instantly from near Bimini to Miami

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but Rob still didn't want to write the

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book for a long time I I booked him for

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a couple of years it seemed like any

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kept thinking well maybe maybe maybe and

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then finally it was actually took me 30

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years right finally

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after thinking about this every day for

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30 years I came up with this concept

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that electronic fog is that term that I

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created but it's a strange fog but it I

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could never figure out how I got from

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the Bahamas to Miami so fast I didn't

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get to see any of the Bahamas while I

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was flying over and then I realized that

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reason I can see it is because the fog

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was attached to me and instead of flying

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through fog like all pilots think and

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they still think this today most

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probably 90% of the pilots especially

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commercial pilots they don't realize

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that this fog can attach to them so

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dizzy like electronic Philips yeah when

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it attaches you can't understand it

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what's going on here because their mind

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is thinking that they're flying through

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this fog and so after 30 years I finally

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I came up with this idea that it was

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and I told Rob and Rob says now we have

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a book he says and the thing is with the

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electronic fog the way Bruce discovered

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this as he was flying it was actually a

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second flight he he took when he was in

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this fog and the the weather bureau was

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saying there was clear skies but he was

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flying and flying through this fog and

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he was looking down and there was a hole

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in the fog that continued continued as

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he flew that he wouldn't he couldn't get

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past that hole it would it was going

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with him then he realized it's not the

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hole know not only the hole that's going

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with him that it's the fog and probably

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the reason that the weather appeared

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clear to the meteorologists was that the

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fog only maybe extended about a quarter

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of a mile or on the plane that's right

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the other meteorologists actually

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verified there was no fog in the area of

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South Florida that was flying over there

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were cleats in that ayah that couldn't

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because I mentally I thought I could see

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fog everywhere over South Florida so I

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didn't realize it was attached to me at

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the time but then like Rob said that's

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what really gave me the key to realizing

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well wow it was flying with me instead

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of me flying through it and guess I'm

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sorry how are you able to confirm that

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the electric fog was what did you say a

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mile and a half I think it says about a

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quarter of a quarter of a mile or a

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quarter okay

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apparently like a sphere around the

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airplane that there's a chemical doctor

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from Ukraine that has done a great deal

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of research on medicine and he calls it

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a ball lightning cloud instead of a

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small ball lightning sure it's much

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larger so um and well you've you've done

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your research and I'm wondering

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so what other something like ball

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lightning or something along these lines

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what other

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scientific observations or studies have

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you found that can lead you to create a

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theory of an actual scientific theory to

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support your idea of this electric fog

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well there's one of the chapters is by

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Professor David Paris as credentials as

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being a top meteorologist one of the

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best meteorologists that I know and he's

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also a physicist and and teaches

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astronomy as well at the yeah at the

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University of Nebraska mm-hmm he took a

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great interest in Bruce's story when he

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read the fog because he's very

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interested in the concept of creating a

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warp drive

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in fact that's that's what he's

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attempting to do and this is the fantasy

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drive of science fiction Star Trek and

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he's working on this this theory that it

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doesn't take a great enormous amount of

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energy to create a warp drive and when

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he read about Bruce's experience he

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realized that Bruce had when he went

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through this tunnel near Bimini with

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thunderstorms on either side of him that

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he had actually entered a natural warp

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bubble and as he and Bruce seized it as

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the electronic fog surrounding him and

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what when a warp bubble does is Bruce

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moved apparently 90 miles virtually

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instantly and his plane of course would

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disintegrate at you know 280 thousand

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miles an hour or whatever or ever ever

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the the enormous enormous speed would be

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but Bruce's plane was moving at 180

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miles an hour and continued moving at

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space compresses in front and expands

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shift like a teleportation he doesn't

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like the term teleportation he sounds it

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thinks that sounds too paranormal what

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is the term he uses Bruce again I linear

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displacement yeah displacement right

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that type of motion and literally Bruce

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could have ended up out in space but he

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got out of it like ten miles offshore

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from Miami Beach when he is still when

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this fog is breaking up around him and

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then he flies for three minutes and he

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realizes he's not near Bimini he's over

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Miami Beach which seemed impossible to

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him and his father and the business

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partner the three of them were on the

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plane Bruce you should describe the

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actual flight a little bit about the

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departed from Andros Island in the

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afternoon at 3:00 p.m. and it had been

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raining all morning we wanted to leave

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that morning but it would there was

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heavy rains and then it led up and

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afternoon and so we took off but the

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island was overcast and so we stated a

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thousand feet for like ten minutes and

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we have a professor Paris found a

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weather map of that day that we took off

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and it showed that the whole island of

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Bahamas was covered with large

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accumulation of thunderstorm sand and

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overcast and so when we reached the

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western shore line of Andros approaching

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Great Bahama Bank it cleared up so

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and us yeah so then I started to climb

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up to our pre-approved altitude 10,500

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feet and I noticed that a few miles

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offshore was his strange lenticular

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cloud and

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the time I really didn't realize it was

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that strange because it looked like a

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normal cloud and the reason I didn't

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know it was strangest because it was

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only 500 feet above the surface of the

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water and it was about a thousand feet

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thick and maybe a mile long half mile

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wide kind of a lip typical shaped and

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not a normal cloud to be at that level

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i-i've seen cloud similar to this up

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around 20,000 feet in South Florida and

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that's a rare occurrence to see them too

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but you never see them this low they

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know they're lenticular clouds are often

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at the top of mountains above hovering

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above mountains they looked like yeah

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huge Luke UFOs floating yeah out in jobs

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yeah yeah that's what this looked like

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but there's no mountains around here

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that's why they're so rare to see the

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lenticular but anyway I had to climb up

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at the time so I needed to contact the

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Miami radio and found my flight plan

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because there were no telephones on the

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Andros back in 1970 and I started

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climbing up over this cloud was right in

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our flight path and filed a flight plan

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with Miami and they said the weather

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between Andros and Miami was perfectly

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clear but there was a couple of large

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thunderstorms scattered around South

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Florida but he said they'd probably be

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I'd be able to circumnavigate them to

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get back to Palm Beach so that sounded

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good and so then after it got about

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4,000 feet up I looked around me and and

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I'm really surprised to see what's going

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on here that small n ticular cloud had

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spread out all around me and then it

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caught up to me and I and I went inside

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it so where are you approaching the

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cloud how because you're saying it's

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expanding right so and what you're

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moving towards it you're okay I'm

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climbing up at 105 miles an hour and now

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the clouds directly below me so I'm

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thinking well maybe this is the

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birth stage of a cumulonimbus

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thunderstorm but at the time you know I

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didn't realize that this is what I call

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a time storm it's like the mother storm

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that forms and can create this

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electronic fog and it happens very

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rapidly and what happens is this

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particular cloud will spread out and

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form like a doughnut shape looking at it

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from a satellite a torus shape storm and

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I had a hard time getting away from it

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as far as altitude went and I kept going

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in and out of it several times that went

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in it then I'd pop out of it so it had

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strong updrafts so it would I burst out

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of it thinking I'm free but then it

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would catch right back up to me yes so

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you're flying at like 105 miles an hour

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at that point raising right yeah and the

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plate and the plane was earned and the

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cloud was catching up to you moving

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exactly and I didn't have time to think

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about that at the time either you know

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it's sick and so finally we get up to

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11,500 feet and we finally break free of

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the storm and so I look around and it's

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all clear sky in front of me and but I

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look on either side of me and and all I

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could see was this semicircular shape

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squall that this storm was more than

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just the cumulonimbus understand

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apparently it was a huge [\h__\h] from what

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I thought that had spread out on either

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side of me as far as I could see which

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would be ten miles on one side ten miles

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to the other and I noticed it was curved

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kind of strange is almost like a perfect

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circle but anyway I leveled off at

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11,500 started cruising almost 200 miles

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an hour and then forgot about what I

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just experienced and started just

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concentrating on flying the airplane and

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then after just a couple of minutes I'm

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looking in front of me and now I see

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this huge squall shaped storm in front

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of me with the opposite curve than the

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one that I had just left and I'm

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thinking whoa I can't fly over it

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because now it was way over 20 or well

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actually it's over 40,000 feet now

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one night when I get xscape did it

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looked like it was around 20,000 when I

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was up to 40,000 so I can climb over it

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and so I'm thinking I'll fly under it

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and then I noticed I can't fly under it

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because it's laying right on the surface

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so he's like inside a huge donut about

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what yeah I mean that you must have any

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well yeah we're starting to get a little

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strange but but when you're pilot you

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know you need to concentrate on flying

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the airplane that's the main number one

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thing you're thinking about so and I'm

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flying by instruments direct to Bimini

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mm-hmm and so my flight path took me

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right into this storm at 11,500 feet and

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so when I entered it disability was

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better than I thought because I could

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still see the ocean but then these

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lightning flashes started going off in

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it they the deeper I wailing the more

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intense it got so it's got so intense

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it's like no this is too dangerous so I

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made a sharp turn to the left and start

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a hidden due south exited the cloud

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immediately called the Miami radio and

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told him and I had deviated from the

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flight path and was heading south and I

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wanted to see if I could fly around this

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storm find a way to get around it they

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said fine no problem fly around it let

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us know after you get around it okay so

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then three minutes later while I'm

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trying to get her around it I'm flying

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along the edge of it and then I look

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forward and I noticed that the edge the

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storm is curving around and connecting

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to the storm that I had just exited so I

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realized now I'm trapped inside this

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huge doughnut shaped storm so when you

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say just to get a better visual when you

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say doughnut shape on the cover of the

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book it's like you're flying through the

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hole or yeah he's just getting to that

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okay okay so but it's like it's like

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you're you're perpendicular to a

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doughnut standing up on its edge

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rather than a donut lying down no no

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yeah that's the tunnel he found it to

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get out to escape yeah okay inside a

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huge donut cloud that the inside

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diameter is about 25 miles but it's

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completely a circular it's the two

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clouds two u-shaped clouds coming

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together and he sees where they're

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joining together on one side right Bruce

430
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and that's where you decided you could

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get out

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we're idea looking at the satellite view

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it would look like a donut okay gotcha

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okay so looking like down or it looks

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like a clear opening say 20 miles gotcha

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okay and so what apparently happened was

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the storm formed just offshore of Andros

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and then spread out left and right and I

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used to made around 300 miles an hour

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and then connect it on the opposite side

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and that's where I saw the opposite side

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of this storm connect he connected on

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the bottom first and it formed like a

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huge u-shaped valley in between the two

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storms so I figured well well this is a

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dangerous situation and this probably my

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only way out and so I headed for it and

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then what happened while I'm heading for

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it the tops of the cloud formed anvil

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heads and in our book there's an actual

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photo I took of some similar shape

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storms with anvil heads forming and then

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connecting to each other and forming a

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horizontal tunnel and the tunnel is is

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around 10,000 feet to the center of it

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mm-hmm and I've seen many of these

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tunnels form and photographed them and

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so this is the best photo I took in the

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late 70s that's in the notebook yeah if

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you look at if you got the book there

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Ellen on page 120 you can see the to the

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the anvil heads top and then on the

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bottom photo the they're connecting at

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top and that's the Bruce ah okay and

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that's where he tried to fly through and

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that's what you see on the cover of the

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book were you calling Randi were you

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calling them something else because in

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the book it says to thunderheads coming

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together was another name for that anvil

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heads is what terminology is in the

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aviation world okay alright so the two

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anvil heads met and then formed a

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horizontal tunnel with in this case was

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at least 10 miles long and the photo

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that Rob mentioned shows a storm that's

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smaller and it's over the Everglades and

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the tunnel that it's just forming is

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about five miles long but if you look to

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the right of the tunnel that's about the

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form that's real wide you notice that

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there's a whole another tunnel

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that is maybe only four or five hundred

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feet in diameter tunnel is five miles

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long see if there was a series actual

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series of tunnels that formed in between

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these thunderstorms cells and see no one

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living has flown through these tell them

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what happened tell them what happened

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when you flew through that don't know

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yeah we'd all like to know what happened

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what oh yeah of course but but before

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before we actually get to that so I just

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want to recap so you started at 40,000

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and now are you still at 11,500 feet at

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this point even further

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okay the center of the tunnel was at ten

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thousand ten thousand okay and then I

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went to full power because I noticed it

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was rapidly closing I mean at first when

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the tunnel formed it was probably a mile

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in diameter sure but then it started

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rapidly closing then I wasn't sure you

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know how long it would take and I've by

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studying them in the past I've seen that

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it they usually lasts around three

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minutes or so before they collapse and

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so it was it would have been a really

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close call for me to make it through

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there

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and how you know I hoped I could make it

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so I don't down and we entered right

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into the center of the tunnel and by

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then it was maybe seven or eight hundred

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feet in diameter when I entered okay and

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that's that's when something incredible

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happened upon entrance of the tunnel

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when I looked at it from the outside it

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was shiny clear smooth walls on the

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tunnel there wasn't hardly any win that

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day winds were variable and so there was

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no turbulence and it was like silver

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shining because the Sun was down it was

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like 3:30 in the afternoon the Sun was

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setting down and and making the tunnel

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glow bright white but then as soon as

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the aircraft entered into the tunnel

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something incredible happened and and I

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believe that is when I was getting to

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see the fabric of time if anytime not

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yeah okay I was seeing it form right in

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front of me as the equipment was your

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00:26:20,899 --> 00:26:18,390
electronic equipment went out about that

534
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:20,909
time right it it probably did but I had

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to concentrate ten miles in front of me

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on the exit hole because I realized if I

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veered off only a few feet to the left

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or the right

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I would scrape the tunnel walls I

540
00:26:38,690 --> 00:26:37,169
couldn't even look at my instrument so I

541
00:26:41,149 --> 00:26:38,700
had to put a hundred percent

542
00:26:42,820 --> 00:26:41,159
concentration so you literally had that

543
00:26:46,610 --> 00:26:42,830
you had tunnel vision

544
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:46,620
pretty much yeah okay

545
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:51,600
and also he lost lost grant had zero

546
00:26:57,140 --> 00:26:53,850
gravity right Bruce well that's when I

547
00:26:59,440 --> 00:26:57,150
reached the other end so the like I'm

548
00:27:04,460 --> 00:26:59,450
gonna cover that it shows the airplane

549
00:27:08,220 --> 00:27:04,470
maybe only a half a mile from the exit

550
00:27:14,130 --> 00:27:08,230
and and now the tunnel had struck down

551
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,140
to like 40 feet and well okay artist

552
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:16,240
rendering well let me let me ask you

553
00:27:23,310 --> 00:27:21,130
though when you say that you saw time it

554
00:27:25,049 --> 00:27:23,320
sounds strange right it's like saying

555
00:27:27,419 --> 00:27:25,059
you saw gravity because it's supposed to

556
00:27:31,710 --> 00:27:27,429
be this sort of invisible invisible

557
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:31,720
force I mean so what give you the sense

558
00:27:39,169 --> 00:27:34,960
that you're actually seeing time well

559
00:27:43,380 --> 00:27:39,179
from my research and like there's some

560
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:43,390
scientific analysis of what it would be

561
00:27:48,150 --> 00:27:45,130
like if you could travel through time

562
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:48,160
and your division of what you're seeing

563
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:50,530
changes entirely as you travel through

564
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:53,650
time Feinstein was the first to come up

565
00:27:59,789 --> 00:27:56,890
with that concept and then there's Max

566
00:28:04,010 --> 00:27:59,799
Planck Institute has a new place right

567
00:28:07,049 --> 00:28:04,020
here in West Palm Beach and they had a

568
00:28:10,380 --> 00:28:07,059
display where you could ride a bicycle

569
00:28:11,820 --> 00:28:10,390
through time and I tried that out and it

570
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:11,830
reminded me if when I went through the

571
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:14,320
tunnel it she started pedaling the bike

572
00:28:19,950 --> 00:28:17,530
through a city all the buildings changed

573
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:19,960
their appearance and they start kind of

574
00:28:24,210 --> 00:28:22,480
swirling around you as you do it huh

575
00:28:27,690 --> 00:28:24,220
that's what he was seeing and the clouds

576
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:27,700
were swirling around yeah the inside of

577
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:29,919
the right tunnel was swirling around

578
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:32,710
counterclockwise wasn't it right so in a

579
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,130
way that that means you're going forward

580
00:28:39,020 --> 00:28:37,360
right so it's gonna say like actually

581
00:28:41,970 --> 00:28:39,030
the actual physical clouds themselves

582
00:28:43,740 --> 00:28:41,980
aren't moving it's time that's moving

583
00:28:47,490 --> 00:28:43,750
and creating the illusion to your eyes

584
00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:47,500
is that correct to say okay yeah it's

585
00:28:58,260 --> 00:28:55,799
but I was only in there for 20 seconds

586
00:28:59,789 --> 00:28:58,270
yeah it really is amazing and it's we're

587
00:29:02,210 --> 00:28:59,799
so lucky now that that you have

588
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:02,220
references scientifically based

589
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:07,450
references it makes me think of what was

590
00:29:15,390 --> 00:29:11,650
the movie with Matthew McConaughey Reiss

591
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:15,400
interstellar right and the the giant

592
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:18,640
black hole at the center of this solar

593
00:29:24,299 --> 00:29:21,370
system was actually a

594
00:29:25,860 --> 00:29:24,309
in theory based on pure math and that's

595
00:29:27,749 --> 00:29:25,870
exactly what this thing is supposed to

596
00:29:28,619 --> 00:29:27,759
look on based on the actual math it's a

597
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:28,629
great thing that we have these

598
00:29:33,090 --> 00:29:30,730
references now but we're gonna come back

599
00:29:35,940 --> 00:29:33,100
after this quick break and we're talking

600
00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:35,950
about beyond the Bermuda Triangle a book

601
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:37,929
of true encounters with electronic Bob

602
00:29:43,019 --> 00:29:40,330
missing aircraft and time warps with

603
00:29:45,180 --> 00:29:43,029
Bruce Gernon and Rob MacGregor this is

604
00:29:48,289 --> 00:29:45,190
very exciting and I hope you guys stay

605
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:48,299
tuned for the next segment of our show

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connection or a stronger connection it

630
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631
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you're traveling so it's a really great

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633
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it's very adaptive and yeah check it out

634
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:00,999
so bringing us back to this fantastic

635
00:31:06,779 --> 00:31:04,809
story a very exciting right now Bruce

636
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:06,789
Gernon was was telling us about his

637
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:10,240
experience of getting caught in this

638
00:31:16,980 --> 00:31:13,360
circular almost doughnut like electric

639
00:31:19,499 --> 00:31:16,990
cloud and he's entered this tunnel and

640
00:31:23,369 --> 00:31:19,509
as he entered this tunnel to him it

641
00:31:27,389 --> 00:31:23,379
reminds him of I guess he thinks he can

642
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:27,399
see space at that space and time warping

643
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:31,330
at that point and oh if I would be

644
00:31:34,530 --> 00:31:33,250
remiss if I forgot to say I'm taking us

645
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:34,540
out of the break was weapon of

646
00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:37,330
choice by the way because that's one of

647
00:31:42,330 --> 00:31:39,700
my favorite Fat Boy slim songs and I

648
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:42,340
just imagined that that if I was going

649
00:31:47,730 --> 00:31:43,690
through this cloud that would be one of

650
00:31:48,390 --> 00:31:47,740
my songs I'd like to play speakers on

651
00:31:50,550 --> 00:31:48,400
the airplane

652
00:31:54,660 --> 00:31:50,560
okay so Bruce if you can just pick it up

653
00:31:57,690 --> 00:31:54,670
and yeah continue with your story okay

654
00:32:00,360 --> 00:31:57,700
well right at that point when we ended I

655
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:00,370
was ready to exit the tunnel I made it

656
00:32:06,390 --> 00:32:04,330
to the other end and the wingtip scraped

657
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:06,400
the edges of it so now it was down to

658
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:08,730
maybe a diameter of only thirty feet

659
00:32:14,910 --> 00:32:11,170
because the wings are thirty six feet

660
00:32:17,010 --> 00:32:14,920
apart and when I look back they were

661
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,020
like contrails forming on the wings and

662
00:32:23,250 --> 00:32:20,320
and then I watched the tunnel and it

663
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:23,260
collapsed right behind me and turned

664
00:32:29,940 --> 00:32:27,120
into like a slit that was rotating now

665
00:32:32,850 --> 00:32:29,950
clockwise from my view since I made it

666
00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:32,860
through and at the same time this clear

667
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:38,100
blue sky that was aiming toward Miami

668
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:41,710
disappeared instantly and it was a

669
00:32:50,550 --> 00:32:46,330
strange grayish yellow fuzzy type of

670
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:50,560
atmosphere and at the same time I felt

671
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:52,570
this strange feeling that I've only felt

672
00:32:59,310 --> 00:32:56,770
that once in my life and it is a feeling

673
00:33:02,070 --> 00:32:59,320
of zero gravity which I have felt many

674
00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:02,080
many times but what made it different

675
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:05,230
was I also felt like I was hydroplaning

676
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:08,410
I don't think like sliding through space

677
00:33:13,950 --> 00:33:11,050
right yeah yeah in a forward direction

678
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:13,960
so hydroplaning like it would feel it

679
00:33:25,710 --> 00:33:22,480
with a car yeah sliding on ice right

680
00:33:27,450 --> 00:33:25,720
yeah yeah and it's like instead instead

681
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:27,460
of slowing down when you're landing it

682
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:30,250
speeds up or all of a sudden it's kind

683
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:33,360
of you get this feeling of speeding up

684
00:33:38,460 --> 00:33:36,370
but then floating at the same time and

685
00:33:40,740 --> 00:33:38,470
zero gravity and your compasses were

686
00:33:41,370 --> 00:33:40,750
spinning right Bruce that's why I notice

687
00:33:44,550 --> 00:33:41,380
yeah

688
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,560
all the electronic instruments were

689
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:46,480
about functioning all the navigational

690
00:33:51,539 --> 00:33:48,130
ones where anyway

691
00:33:54,060 --> 00:33:51,549
and the compass is still slowly rotating

692
00:33:56,419 --> 00:33:54,070
counterclockwise so I asked my dad he

693
00:34:00,779 --> 00:33:56,429
was the the expert navigator and I was

694
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,789
pilot chief private and I told him give

695
00:34:04,980 --> 00:34:02,559
me a position fixed and normally they'd

696
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:04,990
only take him like 1015 seconds to do

697
00:34:10,619 --> 00:34:07,809
that using the navigational instruments

698
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:10,629
with he he couldn't get a fix he said

699
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:12,129
something's wrong here and then I took a

700
00:34:18,060 --> 00:34:13,570
better look and I could see like they

701
00:34:20,190 --> 00:34:18,070
weren't working so I kind of remembered

702
00:34:23,460 --> 00:34:20,200
that I was on a heading of to 90 degrees

703
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:23,470
in Drake for Miami so I just mentally

704
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:25,359
kind of kept that hitting in my mind

705
00:34:30,990 --> 00:34:27,850
because I couldn't trust any of my

706
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:31,000
instruments but my altimeter seemed to

707
00:34:39,690 --> 00:34:34,090
be working I was at 10,000 feet so I

708
00:34:43,830 --> 00:34:39,700
slowed down to 180 miles an hour and at

709
00:34:45,330 --> 00:34:43,840
this point I was able to contact Miami

710
00:34:47,129 --> 00:34:45,340
radio that's like the second thing you

711
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:47,139
do when you're good pilot that's first

712
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:50,320
you fly the airplane second you go you

713
00:34:57,210 --> 00:34:53,050
navigate first communicate second so I I

714
00:34:59,790 --> 00:34:57,220
was able to contact Miami radio and I

715
00:35:06,440 --> 00:34:59,800
told them I was probably about 90 miles

716
00:35:08,970 --> 00:35:06,450
east 85 miles east of Miami 10,000 feet

717
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:08,980
how's the weather what's going on I seem

718
00:35:14,940 --> 00:35:11,730
to be in like some kind of fog here and

719
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:14,950
I think he could tell from my voice that

720
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:16,930
there was there was something wrong and

721
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:20,890
then he couldn't find me on radar and so

722
00:35:24,690 --> 00:35:22,330
then he switched me over to the radar

723
00:35:27,660 --> 00:35:24,700
center of Lamy and they couldn't find me

724
00:35:31,940 --> 00:35:27,670
on radar and so then at that point my

725
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:36,210
passenger business partner in the back

726
00:35:41,609 --> 00:35:40,240
seat I was trying to help me at first he

727
00:35:44,070 --> 00:35:41,619
was a little bit of help he thought if

728
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:44,080
he saw some land but I looked at it and

729
00:35:49,050 --> 00:35:46,690
didn't appear to be land and then he

730
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:49,060
started like mumbling he he became like

731
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:52,090
nauseous or something and uh and he's

732
00:35:58,500 --> 00:35:56,170
mumbling away non-stop you know so I

733
00:35:59,880 --> 00:35:58,510
said to myself okay I got to block him

734
00:36:01,440 --> 00:35:59,890
out because he don't want any

735
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:01,450
distractions when you're in distress

736
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:04,480
situation totally blocked him out so

737
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:07,359
then my I'm talk when I was talking to

738
00:36:13,319 --> 00:36:11,680
the guy in the radio my my dad grabs the

739
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:13,329
mic from me and starts screaming at him

740
00:36:17,250 --> 00:36:15,310
tell him you know what the hell do you

741
00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:17,260
mean you can't identify son Aradia we

742
00:36:21,660 --> 00:36:19,270
got a brand new transponder on this

743
00:36:23,790 --> 00:36:21,670
airplane here yeah the guy said no I

744
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:23,800
can't find any airplanes anywhere

745
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:32,050
between Anderson Miami right now Mike

746
00:36:35,849 --> 00:36:33,730
back from my dad because he was getting

747
00:36:39,210 --> 00:36:35,859
in a state of panic and then I've got a

748
00:36:42,839 --> 00:36:39,220
passenger that's nice and a co-pilot

749
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:42,849
that's in a state of panic and they told

750
00:36:47,849 --> 00:36:44,560
everybody to calm down we're still

751
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:47,859
flying let's see what happens and

752
00:36:53,819 --> 00:36:50,170
everything was all fuzzy that's where

753
00:36:57,530 --> 00:36:53,829
the term electronic fog comes into

754
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:57,540
effect when you're captured by this fog

755
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:00,160
it's very difficult to explain the

756
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:02,410
famous writer Martin Caidin we write

757
00:37:06,690 --> 00:37:04,089
about him in our book he probably has

758
00:37:08,609 --> 00:37:06,700
the most documented case of all mixed

759
00:37:11,970 --> 00:37:08,619
fans is in the electronic fog and he

760
00:37:16,650 --> 00:37:11,980
tried to explain it several times in his

761
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:16,660
books and he wrote like 200 books and he

762
00:37:21,420 --> 00:37:19,930
tried to say when he when he said he

763
00:37:23,940 --> 00:37:21,430
made this comment and it finally hit me

764
00:37:25,859 --> 00:37:23,950
that's what kind of keep me off to

765
00:37:28,770 --> 00:37:25,869
realizing that it was attached to you he

766
00:37:32,609 --> 00:37:28,780
said he felt like he was flying inside a

767
00:37:35,220 --> 00:37:32,619
milk bottle but see he thought he was

768
00:37:37,319 --> 00:37:35,230
flying through this fog okay when he

769
00:37:39,059 --> 00:37:37,329
said he had a feeling that he was inside

770
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:39,069
in the file that's when I realized oh

771
00:37:41,849 --> 00:37:40,510
the milk bottles attached to the

772
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:41,859
airplane it's all around the airplane

773
00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:44,650
it's like a spirit of this electronic

774
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:48,220
fog attached to the airplane and so

775
00:37:55,319 --> 00:37:51,010
that's why I thought it well I was 90

776
00:37:57,059 --> 00:37:55,329
miles east of Miami and I never did get

777
00:37:59,790 --> 00:37:57,069
to see the chain of Bimini Islands I

778
00:38:01,620 --> 00:37:59,800
should have flown over them in the Great

779
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,630
Bahama Bank and then into the deep water

780
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:03,280
that off stream I never got to see that

781
00:38:07,260 --> 00:38:05,920
well let me tell you it makes me wonder

782
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:07,270
because you have you know all these

783
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:11,530
descriptions sensory experiences what

784
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:13,599
did what did you feel physically could

785
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:15,170
you feel like you could feel

786
00:38:20,380 --> 00:38:17,920
time or the warping or anything at all

787
00:38:23,229 --> 00:38:20,390
well only when I was inside the tunnel

788
00:38:25,660 --> 00:38:23,239
that's when I I could visually and

789
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:25,670
physically you can feel something going

790
00:38:31,749 --> 00:38:29,930
on yeah so then three minutes later on I

791
00:38:35,769 --> 00:38:31,759
was in this fog for only three minutes

792
00:38:37,450 --> 00:38:35,779
and then the radar controller comes back

793
00:38:40,359 --> 00:38:37,460
on the radio and he's all excited he

794
00:38:43,210 --> 00:38:40,369
says he's got a airplane directly over

795
00:38:45,940 --> 00:38:43,220
Miami Beach and so I look at my watch

796
00:38:48,489 --> 00:38:45,950
and I say well no that's impossible so

797
00:38:50,049 --> 00:38:48,499
I'm still looking for the Bimini Islands

798
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:50,059
you know I'm probably 80 miles or so

799
00:38:54,339 --> 00:38:52,249
east of you guys and he says are you

800
00:38:56,789 --> 00:38:54,349
sure and then another phenomenal thing

801
00:38:59,829 --> 00:38:56,799
happened I I call it an electronic

802
00:39:03,069 --> 00:38:59,839
dissipation of this fog these lines

803
00:39:06,339 --> 00:39:03,079
formed parallel to the direction of the

804
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:06,349
flight of the airplane and they

805
00:39:11,950 --> 00:39:08,480
surrounded the whole airplane in and

806
00:39:13,630 --> 00:39:11,960
each line to me appeared to be several

807
00:39:16,029 --> 00:39:13,640
miles long but that was an illusion

808
00:39:18,220 --> 00:39:16,039
because I thought I was flying through

809
00:39:21,130 --> 00:39:18,230
this fog I didn't realize it was

810
00:39:23,650 --> 00:39:21,140
attached to me so these lines that I saw

811
00:39:28,269 --> 00:39:23,660
were probably maybe only a hundred or

812
00:39:32,529 --> 00:39:28,279
300 yards and the lines cracked open and

813
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:32,539
I could see blue through the cracks and

814
00:39:36,370 --> 00:39:34,640
it took about 10 seconds for these

815
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:36,380
cracks to open up and that's how the

816
00:39:45,220 --> 00:39:40,249
electronic dissipation where I got to

817
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:45,230
see clear sky and back then I had 2010

818
00:39:51,999 --> 00:39:48,650
vision so I could see things that most

819
00:39:53,470 --> 00:39:52,009
people couldn't even see and then I

820
00:39:55,210 --> 00:39:53,480
realized yeah the guy's right I'm

821
00:39:57,130 --> 00:39:55,220
directly over Miami Beach I told them

822
00:40:00,309 --> 00:39:57,140
okay you're right I'm over my name--a

823
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:00,319
beach and possible as it seems and I was

824
00:40:05,259 --> 00:40:01,910
right at that point did I realize I had

825
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:05,269
just experienced something weather

826
00:40:10,180 --> 00:40:08,569
phenomenon it was incredible so I that's

827
00:40:12,220 --> 00:40:10,190
when I started my research right there

828
00:40:14,140 --> 00:40:12,230
and memorizing it forever so it's like I

829
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:14,150
have a clear mind picture of what I saw

830
00:40:19,479 --> 00:40:16,609
and so then we go back to Palm Beach and

831
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:19,489
I had to fly way out west over the

832
00:40:23,319 --> 00:40:21,200
Everglades to get around a huge storm

833
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:23,329
that was over Fort Lauderdale and it was

834
00:40:27,550 --> 00:40:26,089
off shore I had to go out of my way and

835
00:40:29,530 --> 00:40:27,560
it

836
00:40:31,660 --> 00:40:29,540
there was another like two storms there

837
00:40:32,890 --> 00:40:31,670
one over Lauderdale and one over the

838
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:32,900
middle of the Everglades and it was

839
00:40:38,110 --> 00:40:34,640
another kind of unusual thing I had to

840
00:40:40,780 --> 00:40:38,120
fly down the 500 feet to get underneath

841
00:40:44,590 --> 00:40:40,790
this kind of like a bridge that formed

842
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:44,600
in between the two storms and and then I

843
00:40:51,250 --> 00:40:47,210
don't under Neath that and got clear the

844
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:51,260
two storms and then headed back east to

845
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:54,050
Palm Beach so the whole flight took

846
00:41:03,090 --> 00:40:57,650
instead of the normal 215 miles is more

847
00:41:09,370 --> 00:41:03,100
like 250 miles and then when we landed

848
00:41:11,470 --> 00:41:09,380
we actually touched down around 347 in

849
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,480
the afternoon and then I taxied up to

850
00:41:17,070 --> 00:41:13,520
customs and look at our watches that's

851
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:17,080
348 and that's second oh wait a minute

852
00:41:26,050 --> 00:41:20,960
that's like when he took like 45 minutes

853
00:41:28,180 --> 00:41:26,060
sir and no we done it a dozen times

854
00:41:32,980 --> 00:41:28,190
before it always takes an hour and a

855
00:41:35,410 --> 00:41:32,990
half it's like how did we do that so

856
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:35,420
fast so it didn't make sense to me

857
00:41:42,250 --> 00:41:39,530
many you found out when you filled the

858
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:42,260
tank up that you had a extra gap

859
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:45,440
together guess it was still in the jet

860
00:41:50,980 --> 00:41:48,560
fuel was in the brain

861
00:41:55,090 --> 00:41:50,990
yeah we save 10 gallons we use 10

862
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:55,100
gallons that's gas than normal there for

863
00:42:07,090 --> 00:42:00,800
30 minutes and got it really yeah if we

864
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:07,100
can only all travel like that you know I

865
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:13,370
traveled that that 100 miles in 3

866
00:42:18,310 --> 00:42:16,400
minutes and 20 seconds actually I was a

867
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:18,320
hunter when I entered the tunnel is 100

868
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:21,200
miles according to my instruments I 100

869
00:42:27,340 --> 00:42:25,370
miles east of Miami yeah David David

870
00:42:28,660 --> 00:42:27,350
Aries yeah David Perry's no the

871
00:42:31,660 --> 00:42:28,670
physicist has a little different

872
00:42:35,890 --> 00:42:31,670
explanation he thinks I Bruce instantly

873
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:35,900
moved 90 miles and he the 3 the 3 minute

874
00:42:40,980 --> 00:42:39,730
was when he came out of the warp bubble

875
00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:40,990
Ken my

876
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,200
and then he three three minutes to get

877
00:42:48,210 --> 00:42:46,000
to Miami Beach that's how he explains so

878
00:42:50,370 --> 00:42:48,220
he has a little different explanation of

879
00:42:52,380 --> 00:42:50,380
the same experience it's really

880
00:42:55,980 --> 00:42:52,390
interesting you gotta recognize though

881
00:42:58,109 --> 00:42:55,990
that this was 1971 and Bruce had never

882
00:43:00,750 --> 00:42:58,119
heard of the Bermuda Triangle there was

883
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:00,760
the the book the Bermuda Triangle by

884
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:02,650
Charles Berlitz was still like three

885
00:43:06,750 --> 00:43:05,440
years away from coming out so he didn't

886
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:06,760
know what happened to him he had no

887
00:43:13,260 --> 00:43:11,170
reference well I knew there was

888
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:13,270
something strange out there from my to

889
00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:16,090
mentor pilots that in the 60s had an

890
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:18,430
experience in the same area near Andros

891
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:21,490
mmm-hmm they we tell the story in the

892
00:43:25,830 --> 00:43:24,250
book they they experienced a time storm

893
00:43:27,630 --> 00:43:25,840
like similar to the one I flew through

894
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:27,640
but they didn't fly through the heart of

895
00:43:32,070 --> 00:43:29,110
it though they were able to

896
00:43:33,870 --> 00:43:32,080
circumnavigate it but there they used to

897
00:43:38,730 --> 00:43:33,880
tell this story many times to me when I

898
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:38,740
was like 17 years old and I was working

899
00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:41,530
for him and they they experienced

900
00:43:44,340 --> 00:43:42,670
something out they didn't have a name

901
00:43:45,930 --> 00:43:44,350
for it back then but they said there was

902
00:43:49,290 --> 00:43:45,940
something strange going on out there

903
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:49,300
that they had witnessed well I think

904
00:43:55,770 --> 00:43:52,720
that makes sense you know it's just my

905
00:43:57,660 --> 00:43:55,780
guess obviously that it was really an

906
00:44:00,210 --> 00:43:57,670
almost instant that you went that

907
00:44:03,870 --> 00:44:00,220
distance and then the remaining three

908
00:44:08,370 --> 00:44:03,880
minutes was traveling out of it because

909
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:08,380
when we think about warp drive traveling

910
00:44:13,770 --> 00:44:10,930
from you know star system to star system

911
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:13,780
you know what's theorized is how fast we

912
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:16,240
can get there which means on the scale

913
00:44:22,349 --> 00:44:19,330
of a hundred miles or 50 miles or 20

914
00:44:26,580 --> 00:44:22,359
miles that would that would be almost

915
00:44:29,490 --> 00:44:26,590
instant instant right are you you see

916
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:29,500
Star Trek you you see the stars are like

917
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:33,609
streamers because of the the speed right

918
00:44:38,099 --> 00:44:35,410
yes so you would agree with Professor

919
00:44:40,290 --> 00:44:38,109
paracin it took me quite a few months to

920
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:40,300
come around to his thinking but he's

921
00:44:46,890 --> 00:44:43,359
he's done a lot of research on it he he

922
00:44:48,930 --> 00:44:46,900
has a website that is called the science

923
00:44:51,210 --> 00:44:48,940
of Bruce Gernon and it's flight it's

924
00:44:53,609 --> 00:44:51,220
like 20 pages of super details in

925
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:53,619
mathematics and everything I think of

926
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:54,240
related

927
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,970
he claims yeah it was an instant thing

928
00:45:00,260 --> 00:44:58,800
that happened to me less than a second

929
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:00,270
he thinks that you have with almost 90

930
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:03,290
miles yeah he was a man army meter

931
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:05,880
meteorologist as well so that's where he

932
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:08,850
got his meteorological training but what

933
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:12,170
it's interesting about David Paris is

934
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:16,050
his pursuit of science began with a UFO

935
00:45:21,620 --> 00:45:19,170
encounter when he was what 16 Bruce was

936
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:21,630
a 16 so yeah he was quite young yeah

937
00:45:25,940 --> 00:45:23,910
yeah right and he was with a group of

938
00:45:28,250 --> 00:45:25,950
kids and they were going to going

939
00:45:30,530 --> 00:45:28,260
swimming together they're gathered

940
00:45:36,010 --> 00:45:30,540
together waiting for the right I guess

941
00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:36,020
and that's when this UFO craft came over

942
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:39,240
hill in the distance and moving very

943
00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:41,610
slowly so they had a good look at it

944
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:44,910
moving across the sky only about 30

945
00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:47,930
miles an hour and as Bruce can tell you

946
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:50,520
airplanes can't fly 30 miles know her

947
00:45:57,020 --> 00:45:53,760
and how it and so they would they just

948
00:46:01,340 --> 00:45:57,030
fell out of the sky and so David Perry's

949
00:46:03,770 --> 00:46:01,350
was very fascinated by this came right

950
00:46:07,609 --> 00:46:03,780
overhead and then it just shot instantly

951
00:46:11,180 --> 00:46:07,619
as Evans extraordinary speed and

952
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:11,190
vanished in in the distance and so while

953
00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:14,130
most people would wonder who is flying

954
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:17,369
that craft that UFO who is inside

955
00:46:23,930 --> 00:46:20,970
David Paris wondered what was what was

956
00:46:31,730 --> 00:46:23,940
how was it flying what was the what was

957
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:31,740
the type of engine and what type of

958
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:33,690
propulsion did it have what's what

959
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:36,690
system and so the at that point he

960
00:46:42,170 --> 00:46:38,930
changed his whole career plan and

961
00:46:46,070 --> 00:46:42,180
decided to try to learn as much as

962
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:46,080
possible in interdisciplinary fields of

963
00:46:52,070 --> 00:46:48,450
science that's why he got into astronomy

964
00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:52,080
meteorology physics and it was all with

965
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:55,560
an interest of figuring out how these

966
00:47:01,940 --> 00:46:58,290
the propulsion system of a UFO of the

967
00:47:05,570 --> 00:47:01,950
craft and could he create a warp drive

968
00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:05,580
and that's been his life's goal well it

969
00:47:10,670 --> 00:47:08,460
makes me wonder what is the connection

970
00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:10,680
between your your visual experience of

971
00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:12,780
describing it as this sort of electric

972
00:47:19,940 --> 00:47:17,700
fog and the actual functioning of a time

973
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:19,950
warp well there's well there's a fog

974
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:23,130
have to do with a time warp is there or

975
00:47:33,110 --> 00:47:26,250
was it just that there's cloud formation

976
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:33,120
in the right place David Perry's concept

977
00:47:39,470 --> 00:47:35,850
about it is that it's ionized air that

978
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:39,480
creates this fog that the ionized air

979
00:47:45,020 --> 00:47:42,480
around the craft created this fog and

980
00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:45,030
why it goes with it that's how he

981
00:47:51,110 --> 00:47:49,110
explains it so it's almost like it's

982
00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:51,120
almost like creating static electricity

983
00:47:55,700 --> 00:47:53,640
but you're attracting you're creating

984
00:47:59,630 --> 00:47:55,710
the moisture and it's sticking to this

985
00:48:02,630 --> 00:47:59,640
this ionization that's happening around

986
00:48:06,940 --> 00:48:02,640
this warp bubble yeah and a lot of

987
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:06,950
pilots as Bruce can tell you get very

988
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:11,280
disoriented and end up into going into a

989
00:48:20,180 --> 00:48:12,960
death spiral because they can't get out

990
00:48:22,850 --> 00:48:20,190
of it and Bruce and I have talked to and

991
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:22,860
research a number of stories of other

992
00:48:28,850 --> 00:48:26,490
people and there's a who is the woman in

993
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:28,860
the keys who had the experience with

994
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:40,730
yeah she has a well known flight she was

995
00:48:45,380 --> 00:48:43,170
in the AOPA magazine they wrote about it

996
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:45,390
they normally don't write about things

997
00:48:51,820 --> 00:48:47,330
like this that's one of the things that

998
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:51,830
I need to get out the word out to pilots

999
00:49:01,480 --> 00:48:56,310
then the electronic fog is real and this

1000
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:01,490
is really my whole goal of my future is

1001
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:04,710
I'm determined and I'm never gonna give

1002
00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:08,700
up spreading the word that electronic

1003
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:12,180
fog is real and and it's super important

1004
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:16,530
that it be identified by mainstream

1005
00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:19,610
science because we're gonna save lives

1006
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:21,720
first of all

1007
00:49:29,620 --> 00:49:25,530
by teaching pilots what to do if they

1008
00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:29,630
get captured by this fog it's like the

1009
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:34,140
Malaysian flight or flight 19 and Ellen

1010
00:49:42,589 --> 00:49:39,170
it doesn't always necessarily involve

1011
00:49:46,190 --> 00:49:42,599
time travel or teleportation either

1012
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,200
Bruce has five different levels of

1013
00:49:51,859 --> 00:49:48,720
electronic flag though that he describes

1014
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:51,869
in the book some so some of it is it's

1015
00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:55,290
just attached maybe you can describe it

1016
00:49:59,450 --> 00:49:57,060
better the different levels of

1017
00:50:02,450 --> 00:49:59,460
electronic fog yeah well never one that

1018
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:02,460
I believe there are thousands of pilots

1019
00:50:08,089 --> 00:50:05,970
that have been in level one and what

1020
00:50:12,620 --> 00:50:08,099
happens is you're flying along

1021
00:50:16,310 --> 00:50:12,630
especially in the Bahamas and visibility

1022
00:50:19,370 --> 00:50:16,320
is clear almost unlimited and then all

1023
00:50:23,740 --> 00:50:19,380
of a sudden it goes down to just a few

1024
00:50:27,859 --> 00:50:23,750
miles so what how did that happen and

1025
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:27,869
and they think they're flying through an

1026
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:32,970
area of haze but but it's not it's it's

1027
00:50:37,940 --> 00:50:34,890
the electronic fog that has attached to

1028
00:50:39,859 --> 00:50:37,950
them but it's so weak it doesn't affect

1029
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:39,869
any instruments or anything so though

1030
00:50:46,970 --> 00:50:42,810
the electronic fog attaches to them but

1031
00:50:50,089 --> 00:50:46,980
there's no actual time-warp no okay so

1032
00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:50,099
but not at a low level my experiences in

1033
00:50:57,770 --> 00:50:55,710
1996 level to it I believe it was and

1034
00:51:01,760 --> 00:50:57,780
that's where you mentioned that Robbie

1035
00:51:03,710 --> 00:51:01,770
wherever there was a whole radio but it

1036
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:03,720
was only below the airplane I was clear

1037
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:07,200
above me and this strange hole that Rob

1038
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:09,570
is telling you about traveled with me

1039
00:51:16,490 --> 00:51:12,410
and I thought it was some sort of

1040
00:51:18,170 --> 00:51:16,500
meteorological phenomenon that I didn't

1041
00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:18,180
understand how the hole could be

1042
00:51:21,410 --> 00:51:19,950
traveling with me because I didn't

1043
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:21,420
realize that I was attached to

1044
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:24,089
electronic fog and that's when the radar

1045
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,130
controllers said there was no fog

1046
00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:28,800
anywhere in Florida so that actually

1047
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:30,180
helped to confirm that it was attached

1048
00:51:33,230 --> 00:51:31,050
to me too

1049
00:51:37,490 --> 00:51:33,240
so when I went through this

1050
00:51:39,530 --> 00:51:37,500
Tunnel I would call it number four or

1051
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:39,540
the highest category would be number

1052
00:51:44,420 --> 00:51:42,210
five it'd be borderline number five when

1053
00:51:46,660 --> 00:51:44,430
I flew through this tunnel and this is

1054
00:51:49,820 --> 00:51:46,670
where I believe the electronic fog is

1055
00:51:52,310 --> 00:51:49,830
created inside these tunnels and I've

1056
00:51:55,370 --> 00:51:52,320
seen dozens of these tunnels and what

1057
00:51:58,670 --> 00:51:55,380
happens when the tunnel collapses it

1058
00:52:01,940 --> 00:51:58,680
emits a sphere of the electronic fog and

1059
00:52:05,660 --> 00:52:01,950
then depending on the wind currents it

1060
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:05,670
can go up it could go up to the size

1061
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:08,970
90,000 feet probably we're getting ready

1062
00:52:14,330 --> 00:52:10,650
to set a new glider record using

1063
00:52:16,490 --> 00:52:14,340
currents going up to 90,000 feet or it

1064
00:52:18,410 --> 00:52:16,500
can stay at the same altitude or if

1065
00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:18,420
there's down currents it can go down to

1066
00:52:22,330 --> 00:52:19,740
earth and Rob will tell you some great

1067
00:52:25,630 --> 00:52:22,340
stories about some people that have had

1068
00:52:29,060 --> 00:52:25,640
experience with this fog on the earth

1069
00:52:31,609 --> 00:52:29,070
then like normal fogs it can last for

1070
00:52:38,359 --> 00:52:31,619
many hours maybe even a half a day or

1071
00:52:41,090 --> 00:52:38,369
more well the fog you know it's um it's

1072
00:52:43,460 --> 00:52:41,100
it's small this the area that it covers

1073
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:43,470
so I'm wondering if a satellite is

1074
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:46,770
looking down at the exact moment that

1075
00:52:51,140 --> 00:52:48,930
you're passing through this this time

1076
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,150
warp what does it look like to the

1077
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:53,280
satellite picture I don't think it's

1078
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:55,650
visible for a satellite the mother

1079
00:53:01,220 --> 00:52:58,490
storms are visible and I've got them

1080
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:01,230
even on a video from a guy named Don

1081
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:04,890
pelts that I worked with that captured

1082
00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:06,960
it on video and I was on Japanese

1083
00:53:12,980 --> 00:53:10,380
television and once showing these time

1084
00:53:16,940 --> 00:53:12,990
storms in the middle of the United

1085
00:53:21,220 --> 00:53:16,950
States they were forming so the category

1086
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:21,230
five would be the most intense of all

1087
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:25,680
electronic fog and so if airplane was in

1088
00:53:36,609 --> 00:53:29,520
that major problems would be happening

1089
00:53:40,099 --> 00:53:36,619
and possibly disintegration

1090
00:53:41,420 --> 00:53:40,109
so okay so the difference between the

1091
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:41,430
four and the five would just be the

1092
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:52,319
intensity of the the experience and five

1093
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,170
there would not be time trouble well

1094
00:54:00,849 --> 00:53:57,119
that's unexplainable that's why I sit

1095
00:54:05,089 --> 00:54:00,859
this integration that the vessel or

1096
00:54:06,999 --> 00:54:05,099
airplane is gone so it may be it could

1097
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:07,009
be it could be time travel or

1098
00:54:12,380 --> 00:54:09,569
teleportation right your displacement

1099
00:54:16,490 --> 00:54:12,390
right out into space or whatever into

1100
00:54:19,700 --> 00:54:16,500
the cosmos yeah sure you know more so it

1101
00:54:21,019 --> 00:54:19,710
would be a more intense experience Allen

1102
00:54:22,819 --> 00:54:21,029
let me tell you the story about Don

1103
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:22,829
Piltz because of that Bruce just

1104
00:54:28,970 --> 00:54:24,690
mentioned it's kind of interesting

1105
00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:28,980
because sure he was a sheriff County

1106
00:54:35,180 --> 00:54:31,980
Sheriff in Indiana and he had just

1107
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:35,190
retired and he had read our first book

1108
00:54:41,660 --> 00:54:39,119
the fog that was published in 2005 and

1109
00:54:43,279 --> 00:54:41,670
after he finished it he contacted Bruce

1110
00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:43,289
because he wanted to tell him about the

1111
00:54:49,309 --> 00:54:46,440
experience that he had he had a very

1112
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:49,319
unusual experience where he was driving

1113
00:54:56,539 --> 00:54:54,480
in a car and he encountered something

1114
00:54:59,359 --> 00:54:56,549
that sounds very much like electronic

1115
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:59,369
fog he was taking his father home from a

1116
00:55:03,410 --> 00:55:01,440
doctor's office it was around one

1117
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:03,420
o'clock in the afternoon when he noticed

1118
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:06,569
his strange-looking cloud and it seemed

1119
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:08,490
to rise right from the ground like a

1120
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:12,450
vertical wall and as they drove towards

1121
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:19,910
this wall a tunnel opened up in it and

1122
00:55:27,499 --> 00:55:23,609
suddenly this silvery huge silvery

1123
00:55:29,660 --> 00:55:27,509
sphere like 30 feet across shot down the

1124
00:55:32,660 --> 00:55:29,670
road and right past them and right

1125
00:55:36,799 --> 00:55:32,670
through into that tunnel and and

1126
00:55:39,079 --> 00:55:36,809
disappeared and so he pulls over and

1127
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:39,089
stops he's feeling nauseous and

1128
00:55:46,099 --> 00:55:42,529
disoriented both he and his father are

1129
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:46,109
they watched that sphere move moved

1130
00:55:49,310 --> 00:55:48,089
towards the wall and right right through

1131
00:55:55,550 --> 00:55:49,320
that tunnel

1132
00:55:57,830 --> 00:55:55,560
and so that was then suddenly they were

1133
00:56:00,830 --> 00:55:57,840
startled to find that it was five

1134
00:56:03,590 --> 00:56:00,840
o'clock and they had been you know just

1135
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,600
coming home from the doctor's office at

1136
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,520
one o'clock so there is a missing time

1137
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:07,920
element in their story and he believes

1138
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:10,890
what happened that sphere was he

1139
00:56:15,590 --> 00:56:12,690
believes it was a UFO and they had some

1140
00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:15,600
kind of encounter that was just wiped

1141
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:17,910
from his mind so there there is a UFO

1142
00:56:22,370 --> 00:56:20,610
element involved in all of this too and

1143
00:56:26,650 --> 00:56:22,380
one of the theories about the Bermuda

1144
00:56:31,310 --> 00:56:26,660
Triangle is that there is a it's an

1145
00:56:34,610 --> 00:56:31,320
interdimensional passageway and it that

1146
00:56:37,580 --> 00:56:34,620
could relate you know to the the time

1147
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:37,590
travel the teleportation the electronic

1148
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:40,290
fog all of it and possibly that

1149
00:56:46,820 --> 00:56:44,010
lenticular cloud that Bruce went over

1150
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:46,830
that could have there could have been a

1151
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:51,450
UFO inside that cloud and that produced

1152
00:56:58,220 --> 00:56:53,970
the whole the whole experience maybe it

1153
00:57:00,590 --> 00:56:58,230
was just heading out to wherever so you

1154
00:57:04,010 --> 00:57:00,600
know that's different levels of this

1155
00:57:06,350 --> 00:57:04,020
story are involved in you know it's it's

1156
00:57:08,090 --> 00:57:06,360
theory of speculation but it's it's so

1157
00:57:10,820 --> 00:57:08,100
fascinating well I think that's

1158
00:57:14,660 --> 00:57:10,830
interesting because let's just say that

1159
00:57:17,630 --> 00:57:14,670
this was a natural occurrence it seems a

1160
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:17,640
bit odd right that it would be so stable

1161
00:57:22,670 --> 00:57:20,130
being the same place

1162
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:22,680
it hardly on the rare occasion does but

1163
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:25,710
it hardly causes any damage it almost

1164
00:57:30,140 --> 00:57:27,210
sounds like it's something that's

1165
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:30,150
support that is engineered it's been put

1166
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:33,210
there rather than just a natural

1167
00:57:37,340 --> 00:57:35,280
happening because it's like okay this is

1168
00:57:38,660 --> 00:57:37,350
a natural happening you know why aren't

1169
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:38,670
people getting sucked up randomly

1170
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:42,000
throughout the earth or you know when we

1171
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:45,810
go out into space so um it does it

1172
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:49,200
doesn't does make one think that it

1173
00:57:55,580 --> 00:57:54,000
could be fabricated and I guess the

1174
00:57:58,040 --> 00:57:55,590
other half that would have to be by an

1175
00:58:00,410 --> 00:57:58,050
alien species or something possibly and

1176
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:00,420
this a lot of these have happened in the

1177
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:01,650
Bermuda Triangle not

1178
00:58:07,370 --> 00:58:04,410
to far from Andros Island and on Andros

1179
00:58:11,809 --> 00:58:07,380
Island is a secret Navy base called

1180
00:58:14,839 --> 00:58:11,819
otech which it's secret in the terms of

1181
00:58:18,170 --> 00:58:14,849
what they do it's actually known that it

1182
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,180
exists there there are civilian workers

1183
00:58:22,339 --> 00:58:20,160
as well as military workers there but

1184
00:58:26,990 --> 00:58:22,349
the question is what do they do and what

1185
00:58:30,170 --> 00:58:27,000
do they know because it's a it's a much

1186
00:58:33,319 --> 00:58:30,180
of what they do is secret they in their

1187
00:58:38,109 --> 00:58:33,329
their website information talks about

1188
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:38,119
their sonar underwater sonar work in

1189
00:58:45,460 --> 00:58:42,240
detecting submarines and but there's a

1190
00:58:50,359 --> 00:58:45,470
lot of UFO sightings near Andros and

1191
00:58:53,180 --> 00:58:50,369
we've talked to civilian workers who

1192
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:53,190
have had experiences out there unusual

1193
00:58:59,690 --> 00:58:57,359
experiences Bruce had one I don't know

1194
00:59:01,760 --> 00:58:59,700
if that guy was a was that guy you met a

1195
00:59:06,380 --> 00:59:01,770
civilian or was he in the military do

1196
00:59:11,059 --> 00:59:06,390
you know Bruce the guy Flanigan's yeah I

1197
00:59:13,309 --> 00:59:11,069
believe he was a civilian don't you tell

1198
00:59:14,660 --> 00:59:13,319
that story well actually let's say yeah

1199
00:59:16,250 --> 00:59:14,670
let's tell the story when they get back

1200
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:16,260
we're at our second break are you

1201
00:59:19,069 --> 00:59:17,609
listening to paranormal now I'm your

1202
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:19,079
host allenbys Smith on the inception

1203
00:59:26,269 --> 00:59:21,119
radio network and we were talking about

1204
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:26,279
the many or several theories about what

1205
00:59:33,260 --> 00:59:29,970
the Bermuda Triangle could be what that

1206
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:33,270
Time Warp might be in fact was it made

1207
00:59:40,279 --> 00:59:35,730
by another species who knows hang in

1208
00:59:42,349 --> 00:59:40,289
there we will be right back welcome back

1209
00:59:44,269 --> 00:59:42,359
to paranormal now the zombie Smith your

1210
00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:44,279
host on the inception radio network and

1211
00:59:48,410 --> 00:59:46,260
taking us out of the break was Tuesday

1212
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:48,420
afternoon by the Moody Blues my guests

1213
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:52,049
tonight are Bruce Gernon and Rob

1214
00:59:58,130 --> 00:59:54,930
MacGregor authors of beyond the Bermuda

1215
01:00:00,289 --> 00:59:58,140
Triangle Bruce and Rob what websites

1216
01:00:06,430 --> 01:00:00,299
should people visit to find out more and

1217
01:00:15,970 --> 01:00:12,580
WW dot buzz and

1218
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:15,980
I also have a blog that's called blog

1219
01:00:23,860 --> 01:00:22,400
dot synchro secrets.com and the best

1220
01:00:28,300 --> 01:00:23,870
place to get the book really is just

1221
01:00:31,420 --> 01:00:28,310
going online and to amazon.com or Barnes

1222
01:00:34,180 --> 01:00:31,430
and noble.com and also going to Barnes &

1223
01:00:36,180 --> 01:00:34,190
Noble they the book is out and in the

1224
01:00:38,650 --> 01:00:36,190
bookstores oh it's in brick-and-mortar

1225
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:38,660
yeah all right there you go and what

1226
01:00:47,710 --> 01:00:43,930
about yourself purrs electronic for

1227
01:00:49,330 --> 01:00:47,720
information about my experiences okay

1228
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,340
and you can also find out more about the

1229
01:00:57,070 --> 01:00:51,680
fog your previous book I guess at those

1230
01:01:01,090 --> 01:00:57,080
websites as well correct yes okay great

1231
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:01,100
so Bruce knew we were in the middle of a

1232
01:01:04,420 --> 01:01:03,440
little storytelling until we interrupted

1233
01:01:07,060 --> 01:01:04,430
you on the brakes do you want to

1234
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:07,070
continue on where you left off okay well

1235
01:01:13,420 --> 01:01:10,160
Rob is talking about the Alltech Navy

1236
01:01:18,010 --> 01:01:13,430
base which is for summaries on Andros

1237
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:18,020
Island which is very unusual for a place

1238
01:01:24,460 --> 01:01:21,850
to be of that location and be top secret

1239
01:01:26,770 --> 01:01:24,470
because there's a ton of the ocean there

1240
01:01:29,350 --> 01:01:26,780
which is the deepest area in all of the

1241
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:29,360
Bahamas it goes down to 6,000 feet and

1242
01:01:37,140 --> 01:01:32,240
it's about a hundred miles long 30 miles

1243
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:37,150
wide and all around the Andros Island is

1244
01:01:44,020 --> 01:01:40,850
where there are many people that have

1245
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,030
had experiences similar to what I've had

1246
01:01:51,070 --> 01:01:46,880
I would say Andros Island is actually

1247
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:51,080
the center of the Bermuda Triangle and

1248
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:54,770
that's where that Navy base is but Rob

1249
01:02:00,220 --> 01:01:57,200
wanted me to tell you this story of when

1250
01:02:04,300 --> 01:02:00,230
I was at a local bar waiting for dinner

1251
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:04,310
and a guy across the bar told the

1252
01:02:09,340 --> 01:02:07,010
barmaid that he wanted to talk to me

1253
01:02:13,180 --> 01:02:09,350
he's recognized me from being on all

1254
01:02:17,110 --> 01:02:13,190
these TV shows so I went over and sat by

1255
01:02:20,860 --> 01:02:17,120
him and and he had a nice shirt on and

1256
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:20,870
it had the words Autec on it and he said

1257
01:02:26,590 --> 01:02:23,090
yeah he worked for Autec he's like one

1258
01:02:31,630 --> 01:02:26,600
of their scientific exec

1259
01:02:33,820 --> 01:02:31,640
and he was getting ready to retire and I

1260
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:33,830
guess he had a few drinks so he said he

1261
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:37,490
was gonna tell me those two stories but

1262
01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:38,930
then he changed his mind he says well

1263
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:40,310
I'm gonna gonna tell you the one story

1264
01:02:44,980 --> 01:02:42,290
cuz I can't tell you the other one but

1265
01:02:47,650 --> 01:02:44,990
so he told me the one story where he was

1266
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:47,660
in a submarine and he was on the

1267
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:51,280
southern and at the tongue of the ocean

1268
01:02:58,050 --> 01:02:54,170
several thousand feet down doing

1269
01:03:00,670 --> 01:02:58,060
experience experiments with torpedoes

1270
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:00,680
and all of a sudden all their

1271
01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:03,650
instruments went haywire compasses

1272
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:06,710
spinning they can't identify their exact

1273
01:03:16,330 --> 01:03:11,530
location and so everybody's freaking out

1274
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:16,340
including the captain then about two

1275
01:03:20,770 --> 01:03:17,570
minutes later everything comes back

1276
01:03:24,130 --> 01:03:20,780
online so then they checked their

1277
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:24,140
instruments again similar reminds me of

1278
01:03:27,940 --> 01:03:26,210
what we did you know we checked their

1279
01:03:30,820 --> 01:03:27,950
instance before we entered the tunnel

1280
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:30,830
and then after we escaped the electronic

1281
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:33,680
fog and found that we had somehow

1282
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:38,330
traveled 100 miles in three minutes

1283
01:03:44,410 --> 01:03:40,970
well they did the same thing they

1284
01:03:46,990 --> 01:03:44,420
traveled to the northern end of the

1285
01:03:52,330 --> 01:03:47,000
tongue of the ocean in a submarine in

1286
01:03:56,770 --> 01:03:52,340
only three minutes huh so that was

1287
01:04:00,960 --> 01:03:56,780
pretty incredible story told me yeah

1288
01:04:03,820 --> 01:04:00,970
well that's that's what I find the most

1289
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:03,830
frustrating I think might be the best

1290
01:04:10,540 --> 01:04:08,480
word because on the one hand it seems

1291
01:04:14,170 --> 01:04:10,550
like for the most part these things are

1292
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:14,180
stable on the other hand it it's like we

1293
01:04:20,380 --> 01:04:16,090
have no way of knowing why they're there

1294
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:20,390
how many of the are there and you know

1295
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:23,510
it just it makes one feel like they're

1296
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:24,880
out of control

1297
01:04:36,270 --> 01:04:33,530
yeah I think UFOs yeah we have another

1298
01:04:39,930 --> 01:04:36,280
submarine story from another civilian

1299
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:39,940
Autec employee by the way octet means an

1300
01:04:44,910 --> 01:04:42,400
Atlantic undersea test & Evaluation

1301
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:44,920
Center that's what those initials me

1302
01:04:53,220 --> 01:04:48,570
okay thank you for that Tec yeah so okay

1303
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:53,230
this man contact we'd been in contact

1304
01:05:03,080 --> 01:04:59,760
with and he was also in a submarine and

1305
01:05:06,750 --> 01:05:03,090
are in the in the tongue of the ocean

1306
01:05:11,010 --> 01:05:06,760
which is sixty five hundred feet deep

1307
01:05:13,710 --> 01:05:11,020
and on radar a few miles out in front of

1308
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:13,720
them was what appeared to be an island

1309
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:17,290
about a mile across and they're they're

1310
01:05:22,020 --> 01:05:20,530
looking at this thing and there's it's

1311
01:05:27,470 --> 01:05:22,030
impossible there's no islands out there

1312
01:05:30,570 --> 01:05:27,480
and so they're moving closer to it and

1313
01:05:32,250 --> 01:05:30,580
wondering what it was and they're

1314
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:32,260
getting closer and closer they get about

1315
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:36,250
a mile away and suddenly it's gone it's

1316
01:05:44,250 --> 01:05:40,240
just like it vanishes as if it's sunk as

1317
01:05:49,110 --> 01:05:44,260
if it was a craft like a mothership that

1318
01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:49,120
went down and out of there their radar

1319
01:05:55,770 --> 01:05:53,710
so they reported it to the captain he

1320
01:05:57,690 --> 01:05:55,780
put it in his log they checked the radar

1321
01:06:00,510 --> 01:05:57,700
the next day nothing wrong with the

1322
01:06:02,940 --> 01:06:00,520
radar so that's that was a mysterious

1323
01:06:08,970 --> 01:06:02,950
experience and then there's a one more a

1324
01:06:11,970 --> 01:06:08,980
man named David Malcolm who we were in

1325
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:11,980
contact with also a civilian our tech

1326
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:16,770
employee who was on us on a boat and

1327
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:19,810
recovering torpedoes that spent

1328
01:06:27,690 --> 01:06:24,640
torpedoes that were part of a project he

1329
01:06:31,530 --> 01:06:27,700
was involved in and so he was standing

1330
01:06:34,970 --> 01:06:31,540
on the platform at the back of the boat

1331
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:34,980
and they were approaching a torpedo and

1332
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:37,810
he looks down and he sees something

1333
01:06:49,890 --> 01:06:45,520
underneath the surface that is looks to

1334
01:06:51,790 --> 01:06:49,900
him as if it's like an under underwater

1335
01:06:56,740 --> 01:06:51,800
huge underwater cable

1336
01:07:01,090 --> 01:06:56,750
and it it looks to where there is no no

1337
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:01,100
cable and all will be no cable and the

1338
01:07:07,180 --> 01:07:04,250
only thing that he would could think of

1339
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:07,190
it could be with submarine it wasn't a

1340
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:11,570
submarine he and it was rising up right

1341
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:14,570
underneath and then it stopped and then

1342
01:07:21,310 --> 01:07:18,410
it suddenly sank back down out of sight

1343
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:21,320
and so what he thinks it might have been

1344
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:24,170
is like a UFO coming up

1345
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:27,200
vertically so he's just seeing the rim

1346
01:07:32,620 --> 01:07:30,050
the outer rim it came up and detected

1347
01:07:37,870 --> 01:07:32,630
the craft and then sank back down out of

1348
01:07:39,850 --> 01:07:37,880
sight and so he was he didn't tell

1349
01:07:43,810 --> 01:07:39,860
anybody about it on the boat because

1350
01:07:45,550 --> 01:07:43,820
they're all sworn to secrecy and they

1351
01:07:49,180 --> 01:07:45,560
were that was something that was really

1352
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:49,190
drilled in people who worked at a taut

1353
01:07:56,140 --> 01:07:51,890
tech including the civilians that you

1354
01:08:00,040 --> 01:07:56,150
can go to prison if you if you report

1355
01:08:03,550 --> 01:08:00,050
any information or tell tell people who

1356
01:08:08,380 --> 01:08:03,560
don't have the need to know anything

1357
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:08,390
about your work or what you see so but

1358
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:10,730
fine he has been away from that for

1359
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:14,450
years and you know interested in what's

1360
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:18,290
going on with the Bermuda Triangle and

1361
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:23,330
we actually met him on Andros when Bruce

1362
01:08:31,559 --> 01:08:27,650
and I were there for UFO Hunters is an

1363
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:31,569
old cable History Channel show that was

1364
01:08:38,230 --> 01:08:34,850
less than for several years and we were

1365
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:38,240
guests on on the show and got a chance

1366
01:08:42,519 --> 01:08:40,370
to meet so some of the other people they

1367
01:08:47,260 --> 01:08:42,529
were doing went on the Bermuda Triangle

1368
01:08:50,380 --> 01:08:47,270
and on on our tech and we attempted to

1369
01:08:57,190 --> 01:08:50,390
get into our tech actually but that

1370
01:09:00,340 --> 01:08:57,200
didn't work very well we were we were we

1371
01:09:03,370 --> 01:09:00,350
went with the crew and decided to see if

1372
01:09:05,559 --> 01:09:03,380
we could approach the the gate and maybe

1373
01:09:08,770 --> 01:09:05,569
get in and meet the

1374
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:08,780
the commander or talk to get a tour

1375
01:09:17,140 --> 01:09:12,410
because the the producers had contacted

1376
01:09:19,390 --> 01:09:17,150
the publisher publication people over

1377
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:19,400
and over and nobody they never said no

1378
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:21,650
they just never responded at all so we

1379
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:26,480
decided just to approach them and we

1380
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:28,970
stopped probably about a hundred yards

1381
01:09:34,599 --> 01:09:31,370
away from the gate and immediately two

1382
01:09:36,490 --> 01:09:34,609
police cars come up and instead of

1383
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:36,500
approaching the gate they come in

1384
01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:40,210
sideways that you know nose to nose

1385
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:42,560
blocking the gate and then a black

1386
01:09:52,450 --> 01:09:45,530
helicopter lifts up from behind the gate

1387
01:09:59,160 --> 01:09:52,460
hovers over us and so the the guys who

1388
01:10:02,620 --> 01:09:59,170
are the the main people on the show that

1389
01:10:05,020 --> 01:10:02,630
said I think we better not go any

1390
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:05,030
further I think it doesn't seem like

1391
01:10:08,980 --> 01:10:07,520
we're very welcome here well did you

1392
01:10:11,470 --> 01:10:08,990
have all the cameras out at that point

1393
01:10:24,190 --> 01:10:11,480
yeah the cameras yeah I'm sure that

1394
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:24,200
attracted a lot of attention I've been

1395
01:10:29,500 --> 01:10:26,090
on the base many times they used to have

1396
01:10:32,260 --> 01:10:29,510
a friend that was mathematician

1397
01:10:34,060 --> 01:10:32,270
scientists that worked for him and and

1398
01:10:38,830 --> 01:10:34,070
he used to get me on the base back in

1399
01:10:40,420 --> 01:10:38,840
the 70s and it wasn't unusual on the

1400
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:40,430
base but then there were certain areas

1401
01:10:48,910 --> 01:10:42,770
that were totally off-limits only to the

1402
01:10:50,500 --> 01:10:48,920
the VIPs they speculate there's a UFO in

1403
01:10:56,350 --> 01:10:50,510
one of them and when no one was looking

1404
01:10:59,860 --> 01:10:56,360
at and slip off into a room somewhere I

1405
01:11:01,620 --> 01:10:59,870
think there's a place called the dome on

1406
01:11:07,180 --> 01:11:01,630
there that was off-limits only though

1407
01:11:09,150 --> 01:11:07,190
the most top people were allowed into

1408
01:11:12,250 --> 01:11:09,160
the dome I heard from one of the

1409
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:12,260
civilian employees who knows what's in

1410
01:11:15,220 --> 01:11:13,280
the dome

1411
01:11:17,380 --> 01:11:15,230
yeah and a strange thing happened

1412
01:11:23,070 --> 01:11:17,390
and Rob and I and our wives flew right

1413
01:11:27,220 --> 01:11:23,080
over the the Navy base there all our

1414
01:11:34,150 --> 01:11:27,230
navigational instruments on the GPS it

1415
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:34,160
was a we had a highly technical Garmin

1416
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:38,000
1000 it's called it's like the modern

1417
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:41,650
type of navigation instead of the old

1418
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:46,610
needles and round dials it's to TV

1419
01:11:54,340 --> 01:11:51,170
screens that show everything and we had

1420
01:11:55,660 --> 01:11:54,350
the GPS working and and it showed all

1421
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:55,670
the islands of the Bahamas

1422
01:11:59,950 --> 01:11:58,400
where we're going to navigate and then

1423
01:12:03,070 --> 01:11:59,960
when we flew over the base all the

1424
01:12:05,950 --> 01:12:03,080
islands disappeared and so we had to

1425
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:05,960
navigate all the way back to Palm Beach

1426
01:12:14,890 --> 01:12:10,010
International without seeing anything on

1427
01:12:18,910 --> 01:12:14,900
the chart on the electronic chart well

1428
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:18,920
that was unusual yeah yeah and I asked

1429
01:12:24,580 --> 01:12:22,010
one of the civilian employees about that

1430
01:12:27,729 --> 01:12:24,590
we weren't really supposed to fly over

1431
01:12:30,220 --> 01:12:27,739
over the the secret Navy base and he

1432
01:12:32,770 --> 01:12:30,230
said when we did we were a target of

1433
01:12:35,290 --> 01:12:32,780
opportunity and we probably got hit by

1434
01:12:38,890 --> 01:12:35,300
an electronic Andy bomb he called it

1435
01:12:40,780 --> 01:12:38,900
yeah you know Rob I think we were too

1436
01:12:43,210 --> 01:12:40,790
low cuz I've flown over it many times

1437
01:12:44,710 --> 01:12:43,220
but usually I'm at least 500 or a

1438
01:12:46,300 --> 01:12:44,720
thousand feet high we have even our only

1439
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:46,310
a couple hundred feet high when we were

1440
01:12:57,780 --> 01:12:49,210
doing that they didn't like that yeah

1441
01:13:04,990 --> 01:12:57,790
well what assuming that this is these

1442
01:13:09,900 --> 01:13:05,000
warp tunnels are alien constructed do

1443
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:09,910
you have any theory as to who they are

1444
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:13,010
and maybe even why they're there they're

1445
01:13:20,710 --> 01:13:16,090
here and doing this yeah I do

1446
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:20,720
the that cloud that I flew over if we're

1447
01:13:26,140 --> 01:13:22,489
gonna assume this has anything to do

1448
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:26,150
with aliens the lenticular cloud that I

1449
01:13:32,830 --> 01:13:28,970
first spotted I've

1450
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:32,840
read articles by UF ologists that the

1451
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:36,610
mother ships are able to create a cloud

1452
01:13:43,930 --> 01:13:40,730
around them and the mother ships are big

1453
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:43,940
they're like this almost the size of the

1454
01:13:50,820 --> 01:13:46,010
cloud I saw like a mile long and half

1455
01:13:53,860 --> 01:13:50,830
mile wide 500 feet thick 4,000 feet and

1456
01:13:55,330 --> 01:13:53,870
according that we didn't talk about him

1457
01:13:58,510 --> 01:13:55,340
we have a whole chapter on she'll make

1458
01:14:04,930 --> 01:13:58,520
Mondego a famous psychic in our book and

1459
01:14:08,590 --> 01:14:04,940
he explains about a mother ship and and

1460
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:08,600
I've seen pictures of him from way back

1461
01:14:16,660 --> 01:14:12,080
in the 60s I can remember reading a book

1462
01:14:21,820 --> 01:14:16,670
by a South American scientist and he had

1463
01:14:24,780 --> 01:14:21,830
actual photos that he used a a telescope

1464
01:14:27,550 --> 01:14:24,790
to catch these photos of these huge

1465
01:14:29,530 --> 01:14:27,560
mother ships and they were like shaped

1466
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:29,540
like a cigar shape that's where they got

1467
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:32,810
that name from see guards but also the

1468
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:35,840
reason it's like a seeker the the skin

1469
01:14:40,830 --> 01:14:39,920
on this ship which was almost a mile

1470
01:14:44,620 --> 01:14:40,840
long

1471
01:14:49,150 --> 01:14:44,630
is not perfectly smooth like a rocket

1472
01:14:51,700 --> 01:14:49,160
ship is it had like dimples strange tip

1473
01:14:56,770 --> 01:14:51,710
almost like a sea cucumber type of

1474
01:15:01,780 --> 01:14:56,780
amoeba thing and and then there were he

1475
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:01,790
had close-ups of square openings in this

1476
01:15:10,380 --> 01:15:06,050
mother ship with saucer shaped flying

1477
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:10,390
saucers flying in and out of the square

1478
01:15:15,250 --> 01:15:13,130
tunnels and and those ships were

1479
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:15,260
probably 50 60 feet in diameter or

1480
01:15:20,020 --> 01:15:18,410
something and so the thing is that Joe

1481
01:15:20,610 --> 01:15:20,030
brought up and I kill along where that

1482
01:15:34,570 --> 01:15:20,620
is

1483
01:15:39,490 --> 01:15:34,580
able to almost like a bird it's able to

1484
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:39,500
fly all around from interdimensional

1485
01:15:42,700 --> 01:15:42,050
draws albatross can fly from country to

1486
01:15:45,690 --> 01:15:42,710
country

1487
01:15:49,690 --> 01:15:45,700
at the continent well these these

1488
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:49,700
amoebas are mother ships that are living

1489
01:15:57,610 --> 01:15:54,320
organisms can fly from star to star and

1490
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:57,620
and what has happened is the the aliens

1491
01:16:04,450 --> 01:16:01,120
have learned how to work with these

1492
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:04,460
strange creatures and use them it's just

1493
01:16:09,300 --> 01:16:06,050
like we learned how to ride horses a

1494
01:16:16,660 --> 01:16:09,310
long time ago and use them so well

1495
01:16:20,830 --> 01:16:16,670
that's fascinating yeah Bruce also had a

1496
01:16:24,930 --> 01:16:20,840
UFO very interesting UFO experience that

1497
01:16:29,310 --> 01:16:24,940
happened took place one month after his

1498
01:16:31,870 --> 01:16:29,320
experience through that tunnel in

1499
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:31,880
December of 1971 so this has been a

1500
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:35,330
sometime in January of 1972 Bruce went

1501
01:16:41,190 --> 01:16:38,000
yeah yeah tell that story that's a good

1502
01:16:47,459 --> 01:16:41,200
one my first experience was December of

1503
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:47,469
1970 and then it was January of 1971

1504
01:16:56,110 --> 01:16:52,730
when I was flying on a perfect night at

1505
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:56,120
9 o'clock at night and it was me and a

1506
01:17:00,430 --> 01:16:59,120
girlfriend and we just forego for a

1507
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:00,440
pleasure cruise because it was such a

1508
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:06,010
beautiful night and January and so we

1509
01:17:11,740 --> 01:17:08,810
oddly enough I flew up to the 10,000

1510
01:17:14,290 --> 01:17:11,750
feet level the same level that I had

1511
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:14,300
flown through that tunnel and I flew

1512
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:16,850
right over Miami Beach and in the city

1513
01:17:23,650 --> 01:17:18,650
of Miami first and then I headed over

1514
01:17:27,090 --> 01:17:23,660
Miami Beach out heading to the east and

1515
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:27,100
I was sound like the same course aiming

1516
01:17:32,700 --> 01:17:30,800
toward Bimini similar to the course that

1517
01:17:35,410 --> 01:17:32,710
I took when I flew through that tunnel

1518
01:17:39,190 --> 01:17:35,420
mm-hmm and so we got about five miles

1519
01:17:41,350 --> 01:17:39,200
offshore and there was no moon that

1520
01:17:43,380 --> 01:17:41,360
night - it was like we could see the

1521
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:43,390
stars but the water below us was like a

1522
01:17:50,140 --> 01:17:47,570
black abyss and then we'd look out to

1523
01:17:52,780 --> 01:17:50,150
the east and we see this strange light

1524
01:17:55,690 --> 01:17:52,790
then it reminds me of Columbus's report

1525
01:17:59,020 --> 01:17:55,700
of the first sighting

1526
01:18:00,520 --> 01:17:59,030
he was spotted to new world it was like

1527
01:18:02,620 --> 01:18:00,530
a can of lightning but it was kind of

1528
01:18:05,620 --> 01:18:02,630
bobbing up and down sideways and going

1529
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:05,630
back and forth and we both noticed it

1530
01:18:10,810 --> 01:18:08,930
and can figure out what it was it was

1531
01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:10,820
far away but maybe as far as I was

1532
01:18:16,420 --> 01:18:13,520
bimini or so and then all of a sudden it

1533
01:18:19,690 --> 01:18:16,430
shot right at us at an incredible speed

1534
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:19,700
and it was on the same flight path that

1535
01:18:25,780 --> 01:18:23,330
I had taken to escape that storm and it

1536
01:18:29,230 --> 01:18:25,790
hit it right for us and and within

1537
01:18:31,930 --> 01:18:29,240
seconds it was right in front of us and

1538
01:18:34,090 --> 01:18:31,940
I thought we were gonna die because it

1539
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:34,100
looked like it was massive and and and

1540
01:18:37,030 --> 01:18:36,290
metallic it didn't look like a fog or

1541
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:37,040
anything like that

1542
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:39,890
this is glowing orange saucer-shaped

1543
01:18:46,570 --> 01:18:43,370
vehicle with a dome on the top of it

1544
01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:46,580
maybe and it was big over 200 feet in

1545
01:18:52,390 --> 01:18:50,110
diameter and 5060 feet thick and I

1546
01:18:57,190 --> 01:18:52,400
thought that was the answer I turned off

1547
01:18:59,440 --> 01:18:57,200
sharpest I could to the left and while I

1548
01:19:03,160 --> 01:18:59,450
was turning I looked back thinking that

1549
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:03,170
was the end and it disappeared and so

1550
01:19:09,190 --> 01:19:06,170
that was the end of that I think that's

1551
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:09,200
what's frustrating is people have these

1552
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:13,130
reports and you know it is so

1553
01:19:21,090 --> 01:19:16,130
distinguishable from typical natural

1554
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:21,100
phenomena or airplanes and aircraft that

1555
01:19:27,970 --> 01:19:25,130
it gets frustrating when people try to

1556
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:27,980
explain something like that away as

1557
01:19:32,980 --> 01:19:31,130
something mundane all right and um it's

1558
01:19:35,310 --> 01:19:32,990
just so frustrating because so many

1559
01:19:38,830 --> 01:19:35,320
people have had similar experiences and

1560
01:19:41,890 --> 01:19:38,840
more I mean how do you deal with that do

1561
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:41,900
you get criticism as you tell your

1562
01:19:48,910 --> 01:19:44,930
stories and share openly about your

1563
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:48,920
experiences oh yeah well I've been doing

1564
01:19:54,940 --> 01:19:51,890
it for 47 years so it's like I have a

1565
01:19:58,390 --> 01:19:54,950
quest that will never end until I'm gone

1566
01:20:01,570 --> 01:19:58,400
and it seems to be getting wider world

1567
01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:01,580
wider all the time and you know Gyan

1568
01:20:09,180 --> 01:20:06,560
quasar do I know he wrote it yeah he's a

1569
01:20:11,950 --> 01:20:09,190
writer no I'm not familiar

1570
01:20:14,919 --> 01:20:11,960
he wrote a book that came out almost the

1571
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:14,929
same time as our first book the fog it

1572
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:17,449
was pretty successful about the Bermuda

1573
01:20:21,850 --> 01:20:18,650
Triangle so now he's got a new book

1574
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:21,860
called Bermuda Triangle - it just came

1575
01:20:27,820 --> 01:20:24,050
out at the same time as our book no no I

1576
01:20:29,709 --> 01:20:27,830
was like shocked really - to see that

1577
01:20:33,070 --> 01:20:29,719
he's actually got some photos in it that

1578
01:20:38,410 --> 01:20:33,080
I gave him and I mean I play a major

1579
01:20:41,290 --> 01:20:38,420
role in the entire book and he makes

1580
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:41,300
comments like there's one here first and

1581
01:20:50,979 --> 01:20:45,530
foremost of all theories for today is

1582
01:20:54,220 --> 01:20:50,989
that of electronic fog so it's like in

1583
01:20:55,660 --> 01:20:54,230
his opinion electronic fog is what's

1584
01:20:58,570 --> 01:20:55,670
going on here that's what creates the

1585
01:21:00,879 --> 01:20:58,580
whole mystery of this Purnima triangle

1586
01:21:03,189 --> 01:21:00,889
that's right all these disappearances

1587
01:21:05,290 --> 01:21:03,199
happen but he also talks a lot about

1588
01:21:08,229 --> 01:21:05,300
aliens and then and he shows a strange

1589
01:21:12,250 --> 01:21:08,239
pattern of disappearing ships and boats

1590
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:12,260
and people mostly all around Florida and

1591
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:15,050
Andros well I mean a lot of this stuff

1592
01:21:21,490 --> 01:21:18,290
especially now is I think more easily

1593
01:21:23,459 --> 01:21:21,500
backed by science anyway I mean even

1594
01:21:26,740 --> 01:21:23,469
just something as simple as creating fog

1595
01:21:28,359 --> 01:21:26,750
it's really not that that difficult if

1596
01:21:30,910 --> 01:21:28,369
you're just a little bit more advanced

1597
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:30,920
than us I wouldn't think because we can

1598
01:21:37,930 --> 01:21:33,440
create fog in a laboratory we can create

1599
01:21:40,570 --> 01:21:37,940
clouds using lasers so this is not very

1600
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:40,580
far-fetched as far as I'm concerned I

1601
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:42,770
think the hardest thing is to wonder

1602
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:46,480
where these other beings are coming from

1603
01:21:52,450 --> 01:21:50,330
I mean is it going to be instead of

1604
01:21:53,890 --> 01:21:52,460
landing on the White House is it going

1605
01:21:55,899 --> 01:21:53,900
to be something like from the abyss

1606
01:21:58,030 --> 01:21:55,909
where it's rising from the sea is that

1607
01:22:01,540 --> 01:21:58,040
how we're gonna make contact do you

1608
01:22:03,220 --> 01:22:01,550
think yeah well that's like in quasars

1609
01:22:05,500 --> 01:22:03,230
book he sort of indicates that he

1610
01:22:06,820 --> 01:22:05,510
doesn't come out and say it but did it

1611
01:22:09,700 --> 01:22:06,830
appears that there's some sort of

1612
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:09,710
underwater base going on here where Ivan

1613
01:22:16,300 --> 01:22:11,570
Sanderson was the first one to write a

1614
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:16,310
book about it really there's the u.s. so

1615
01:22:20,410 --> 01:22:18,650
it's apparently or you know maybe there

1616
01:22:21,820 --> 01:22:20,420
in the tongue of the ocean or and there

1617
01:22:22,979 --> 01:22:21,830
are different areas different deep water

1618
01:22:25,359 --> 01:22:22,989
trenches

1619
01:22:28,930 --> 01:22:25,369
where they seem to be coming and going

1620
01:22:30,819 --> 01:22:28,940
and and maybe I got caught up in the

1621
01:22:33,939 --> 01:22:30,829
ones like I was telling you about the

1622
01:22:36,879 --> 01:22:33,949
mothership it may have been I would

1623
01:22:39,790 --> 01:22:36,889
think it was departing when I just

1624
01:22:42,700 --> 01:22:39,800
happened to fly over it and I got caught

1625
01:22:45,899 --> 01:22:42,710
up in this you could call it like a wake

1626
01:22:48,459 --> 01:22:45,909
turbulence similar to a small airplane

1627
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:48,469
flying behind a jumbo jet they can get

1628
01:22:52,149 --> 01:22:50,210
in a lot of trouble so it's like I got

1629
01:22:54,629 --> 01:22:52,159
in a lot of trouble getting caught in

1630
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:54,639
the wake turbulence from the mothership

1631
01:22:58,930 --> 01:22:57,050
but this is such a phenomenon this

1632
01:23:00,549 --> 01:22:58,940
turbulence it's a natural type of

1633
01:23:03,609 --> 01:23:00,559
phenomenon that they know how to

1634
01:23:06,129 --> 01:23:03,619
manipulate and create it with the power

1635
01:23:11,069 --> 01:23:06,139
of electronic fog is what it's going on

1636
01:23:14,620 --> 01:23:11,079
here because time is affected by this

1637
01:23:19,810 --> 01:23:14,630
like again I just find that so so

1638
01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:19,820
strange how you could see and feel time

1639
01:23:24,100 --> 01:23:21,679
and I and I had to go all the way back

1640
01:23:29,709 --> 01:23:24,110
but did you when you said you felt it

1641
01:23:31,149 --> 01:23:29,719
what was the sensation like well there

1642
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:31,159
was like I was Tania with the zero

1643
01:23:35,799 --> 01:23:33,199
gravity in the hydroplaning that was the

1644
01:23:38,049 --> 01:23:35,809
only physical real sensation okay okay

1645
01:23:40,319 --> 01:23:38,059
but what about your body did you feel

1646
01:23:43,450 --> 01:23:40,329
like a tingling or anything like that

1647
01:23:46,180 --> 01:23:43,460
no I have some recent thoughts about

1648
01:23:48,180 --> 01:23:46,190
hurricanes though I've just been

1649
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:48,190
thinking lately that you know hurricanes

1650
01:23:55,509 --> 01:23:52,880
also have some effect on time and

1651
01:23:57,729 --> 01:23:55,519
because I was I used to live down in the

1652
01:24:00,399 --> 01:23:57,739
keys and I don't know island called low

1653
01:24:03,250 --> 01:24:00,409
amount of Kumbi that was only like 4 to

1654
01:24:06,009 --> 01:24:03,260
5 feet high and it completely submerged

1655
01:24:09,100 --> 01:24:06,019
when the famous hurricane of 1935 came

1656
01:24:12,330 --> 01:24:09,110
and I remember reading these books about

1657
01:24:14,740 --> 01:24:12,340
the history of Isla Muromets cotton and

1658
01:24:16,660 --> 01:24:14,750
how it got wiped out and they had some

1659
01:24:21,609 --> 01:24:16,670
photos and they were aerial photos and

1660
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:21,619
it showed before and after and right

1661
01:24:29,589 --> 01:24:24,650
near where I lived there were a series

1662
01:24:31,899 --> 01:24:29,599
of like a half-dozen small houses that

1663
01:24:35,310 --> 01:24:31,909
Henry Flagler had built for the

1664
01:24:37,710 --> 01:24:35,320
executives of the railroad

1665
01:24:41,190 --> 01:24:37,720
and and there was also the houseboats

1666
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:41,200
with many dozens of rooms for all the

1667
01:24:48,330 --> 01:24:43,810
workers but but somehow after this

1668
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:48,340
hurricane passed the homes that were in

1669
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:54,880
a line were transported a I'm not sure

1670
01:25:00,780 --> 01:24:57,130
how far they're just not that far but it

1671
01:25:03,090 --> 01:25:00,790
was like maybe a quarter mile they were

1672
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:03,100
and they were all in perfect condition

1673
01:25:08,820 --> 01:25:06,400
everything got wiped out but these six

1674
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:08,830
homes were transported and everything

1675
01:25:14,910 --> 01:25:11,530
inside was in perfect condition so there

1676
01:25:18,630 --> 01:25:14,920
it has something to do with time sure

1677
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:18,640
and so we have a chapter that Rob knows

1678
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:20,890
a great deal about because he researched

1679
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:23,530
it and it also has to do with a

1680
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:27,850
hurricane and with time it's an

1681
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:30,400
incredible story well you know it makes

1682
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:33,970
me think about and I love this feeling I

1683
01:25:39,690 --> 01:25:35,440
love this feeling particularly in the

1684
01:25:42,750 --> 01:25:39,700
summertime when a storm is coming and it

1685
01:25:45,630 --> 01:25:42,760
is electrifying it's like there's

1686
01:25:48,900 --> 01:25:45,640
something in the air and I can feel it

1687
01:25:50,850 --> 01:25:48,910
in my in my bones in my skin and I and I

1688
01:25:53,820 --> 01:25:50,860
really do like that feeling I it's

1689
01:25:56,010 --> 01:25:53,830
energizing you know and not that that

1690
01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:56,020
was what you felt when you know you had

1691
01:25:59,300 --> 01:25:57,520
you had your experience and I mean you

1692
01:26:01,890 --> 01:25:59,310
had so many other things on your mind

1693
01:26:04,230 --> 01:26:01,900
right but anyway that's what made me

1694
01:26:06,750 --> 01:26:04,240
think of we are gonna take our last

1695
01:26:08,700 --> 01:26:06,760
break here I'm speaking with the authors

1696
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:08,710
of beyond the Bermuda Triangle true

1697
01:26:14,220 --> 01:26:12,010
encounters with electronic fog missing

1698
01:26:16,110 --> 01:26:14,230
aircraft and time warps this is Alan B

1699
01:26:18,030 --> 01:26:16,120
Smith for paranormal now on the

1700
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:18,040
inception radio network and hang in

1701
01:26:26,180 --> 01:26:22,090
there we'll be right back welcome back

1702
01:26:29,690 --> 01:26:26,190
to paranormal now our guest tonight

1703
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:29,700
Bruce Gernon and Rob MacGregor have

1704
01:26:34,500 --> 01:26:32,410
fascinating topic that they've been

1705
01:26:36,750 --> 01:26:34,510
sharing with us and if you're just

1706
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:36,760
tuning in the Saturday night

1707
01:26:45,260 --> 01:26:39,730
I implore you to listen because they

1708
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:45,270
have so much to share that I think is

1709
01:26:51,570 --> 01:26:48,850
valid enough based on science and I

1710
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:51,580
that but the stories are corroborated by

1711
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:52,810
others who've had so many similar

1712
01:26:57,180 --> 01:26:54,850
experiences so there really is something

1713
01:27:01,160 --> 01:26:57,190
going on here in the Bermuda Triangle

1714
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:01,170
and I think they are on their path of

1715
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:06,010
sleuthing to get the answer they have

1716
01:27:10,230 --> 01:27:07,930
the support of some scientists which is

1717
01:27:12,030 --> 01:27:10,240
good and I think in time

1718
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:12,040
in time we might actually solve this

1719
01:27:17,550 --> 01:27:14,650
thing but quickly taking us out of the

1720
01:27:20,370 --> 01:27:17,560
break was spy break by propellerheads

1721
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:20,380
and anybody who loves the matrix knows

1722
01:27:26,330 --> 01:27:23,290
that song and this topic is definitely

1723
01:27:30,570 --> 01:27:26,340
made matrix like that is for sure

1724
01:27:32,580 --> 01:27:30,580
so so okay so so Bruce tell us more

1725
01:27:36,210 --> 01:27:32,590
about the the hurricane and this

1726
01:27:39,300 --> 01:27:36,220
time-travel right well I've gotten

1727
01:27:42,650 --> 01:27:39,310
emails from a lot of people from all

1728
01:27:47,370 --> 01:27:42,660
over the world really and this one guy

1729
01:27:49,980 --> 01:27:47,380
from New England area wrote me and and

1730
01:27:53,250 --> 01:27:49,990
told me a story about an experience that

1731
01:27:57,060 --> 01:27:53,260
he had in Bermuda and it relates to a

1732
01:28:01,050 --> 01:27:57,070
hurricane and when he first sent it to

1733
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:01,060
me is like well how come he said he read

1734
01:28:06,990 --> 01:28:04,330
my book my first book the fog and he

1735
01:28:08,580 --> 01:28:07,000
said I can relate to that and he had

1736
01:28:10,530 --> 01:28:08,590
this experience with a Herk and I'm

1737
01:28:13,890 --> 01:28:10,540
thinking about wait now how can you

1738
01:28:15,690 --> 01:28:13,900
relate a hurricane to what I experienced

1739
01:28:19,260 --> 01:28:15,700
and I didn't think there could possibly

1740
01:28:20,670 --> 01:28:19,270
be any relation but just recently I'm

1741
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:20,680
starting to realize there may be a

1742
01:28:25,980 --> 01:28:23,530
relation and and so I gave the

1743
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:25,990
information to Rob and so he started

1744
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:29,290
doing some research and he worked quite

1745
01:28:33,660 --> 01:28:31,090
a bit of a couple of months on this

1746
01:28:36,330 --> 01:28:33,670
project and came up with a whole bunch

1747
01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:36,340
more information about this incredible

1748
01:28:44,450 --> 01:28:39,280
story and here tell you all about it

1749
01:28:47,670 --> 01:28:44,460
Rob yeah okay this goes back to 1964

1750
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:47,680
John Murphy was in the Coast Guard he

1751
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:52,090
was on a u.s. Coast Guard Cutter that

1752
01:29:00,600 --> 01:28:57,010
docked near st. George port in Bermuda

1753
01:29:02,220 --> 01:29:00,610
and it was a Thanksgiving Day so he and

1754
01:29:04,020 --> 01:29:02,230
his buddies had a thing

1755
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:04,030
giving dinner and then they decided to

1756
01:29:09,780 --> 01:29:07,330
go shower and go to a bar and have a

1757
01:29:14,150 --> 01:29:09,790
couple drinks so it was him and three of

1758
01:29:16,860 --> 01:29:14,160
his friends and they get there and very

1759
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:16,870
coincidentally they come across four

1760
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:20,290
student nurses in the u.s. Navy Nurse

1761
01:29:28,380 --> 01:29:23,410
Corps who have flown in and are spending

1762
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:28,390
the weekend on Bermuda and so John was

1763
01:29:34,710 --> 01:29:30,610
immediately attracted to one of the

1764
01:29:37,020 --> 01:29:34,720
women and she felt very comfortable with

1765
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:37,030
him so they separated from the others

1766
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:40,810
and walked down to the beach and they

1767
01:29:46,410 --> 01:29:43,570
sat on a wall by the beach and watched

1768
01:29:52,740 --> 01:29:46,420
the sunset and then they decided they

1769
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:52,750
would take a walk and they left the wall

1770
01:29:59,600 --> 01:29:56,250
and found found this little trail and

1771
01:30:03,600 --> 01:29:59,610
they were walking along the trails just

1772
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:03,610
at dusk and they were coming to a hill

1773
01:30:13,140 --> 01:30:07,600
and John says I know what's on the other

1774
01:30:15,660 --> 01:30:13,150
side of that hill and he says there's a

1775
01:30:18,270 --> 01:30:15,670
small village there a British village

1776
01:30:20,910 --> 01:30:18,280
and she joined right in with him

1777
01:30:22,500 --> 01:30:20,920
she said yeah there's a church and it's

1778
01:30:25,860 --> 01:30:22,510
got a church and there's a steeple and

1779
01:30:27,780 --> 01:30:25,870
there's there's a and he said yeah

1780
01:30:30,420 --> 01:30:27,790
there's a clock on it and she says yeah

1781
01:30:31,710 --> 01:30:30,430
and it's the clock is stopped at 12:30

1782
01:30:33,420 --> 01:30:31,720
and they kind of laugh because they're

1783
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:33,430
just kinda is their imagination they're

1784
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:35,440
just making this stuff up so they climb

1785
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:37,690
up the trail up the hill up to the top

1786
01:30:42,270 --> 01:30:40,330
of the hill and they look down and and

1787
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:42,280
there is this little village so they

1788
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:45,730
walk down to it there's a church there

1789
01:30:51,900 --> 01:30:48,850
it has the steeple and there's a clock

1790
01:30:54,630 --> 01:30:51,910
on the steeple and it stopped at 12:30

1791
01:30:56,340 --> 01:30:54,640
and they're just amazed and they're

1792
01:31:00,060 --> 01:30:56,350
walking around they don't see any people

1793
01:31:03,660 --> 01:31:00,070
but there are lights lanterns inside of

1794
01:31:07,170 --> 01:31:03,670
the houses and they can see the

1795
01:31:10,709 --> 01:31:07,180
flickering lantern light and they go up

1796
01:31:13,410 --> 01:31:10,719
to the church and John made a point of

1797
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:13,420
this that he he took a hold of the door

1798
01:31:16,020 --> 01:31:15,610
and it squeaked and he tried to open it

1799
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:16,030
but he

1800
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:18,130
it was locked he couldn't open it so

1801
01:31:25,410 --> 01:31:20,530
that and the they walked round and they

1802
01:31:29,430 --> 01:31:25,420
came to this cemetery and John looks at

1803
01:31:31,770 --> 01:31:29,440
it and explains to Barbara that you see

1804
01:31:34,859 --> 01:31:31,780
see how it's divided in half that half

1805
01:31:36,990 --> 01:31:34,869
is where the blacks are buried and that

1806
01:31:39,209 --> 01:31:37,000
the other half is where the whites are

1807
01:31:42,510 --> 01:31:39,219
buried now and then he thought how do I

1808
01:31:47,669 --> 01:31:42,520
know this this is odd so they just sit

1809
01:31:50,879 --> 01:31:47,679
down on the the stone wall and or just

1810
01:31:53,129 --> 01:31:50,889
looking around talking a bit and then

1811
01:31:55,290 --> 01:31:53,139
Barbara had been to the beach earlier

1812
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:55,300
with her friends so she had a blanket

1813
01:31:59,729 --> 01:31:57,250
with her in her bag she takes out the

1814
01:32:00,720 --> 01:31:59,739
blanket and spreads it out and you know

1815
01:32:03,209 --> 01:32:00,730
they're they're starting to feel a

1816
01:32:06,569 --> 01:32:03,219
little bit romantic now and they lay

1817
01:32:08,250 --> 01:32:06,579
down on the on the blanket and as

1818
01:32:11,490 --> 01:32:08,260
especially John is feeling a bit

1819
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:11,500
romantic and he kind of rolls over

1820
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:14,170
towards her and he wants to give her a

1821
01:32:19,500 --> 01:32:16,210
kiss he's starting to lean towards her

1822
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:19,510
and then suddenly he passes out she

1823
01:32:25,010 --> 01:32:22,449
passes out both of them are gone for two

1824
01:32:28,020 --> 01:32:25,020
hours they wake up two hours later and

1825
01:32:31,140 --> 01:32:28,030
they're confused by what happened to the

1826
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:31,150
time why and why they just fell asleep

1827
01:32:36,180 --> 01:32:34,690
instantly like that together and they

1828
01:32:37,529 --> 01:32:36,190
look around the village is still there

1829
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:37,539
everything's still there they're still

1830
01:32:42,629 --> 01:32:41,170
right by the cemetery but you know then

1831
01:32:43,410 --> 01:32:42,639
they say what we better get going I

1832
01:32:45,990 --> 01:32:43,420
gotta flee

1833
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:46,000
Barbara has to find her friends and he's

1834
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:48,010
got to get back to the ship so they they

1835
01:32:52,109 --> 01:32:49,690
walk back up the hill

1836
01:32:55,850 --> 01:32:52,119
and over and it's kind of awkward

1837
01:32:58,649 --> 01:32:55,860
because she's leaving the next day and

1838
01:33:02,700 --> 01:32:58,659
but he wants to keep in touch with her

1839
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:02,710
so he gets her address and they exchange

1840
01:33:09,270 --> 01:33:05,170
addresses and she goes off and he

1841
01:33:11,790 --> 01:33:09,280
doesn't see her and then so the next day

1842
01:33:14,370 --> 01:33:11,800
when he gets some shore leave he he

1843
01:33:16,740 --> 01:33:14,380
comes back in and he decides he's going

1844
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:16,750
to go back to the village and just sit

1845
01:33:22,169 --> 01:33:19,210
there and write write her a letter and

1846
01:33:25,589 --> 01:33:22,179
he likes to write poetry and he he wants

1847
01:33:27,510 --> 01:33:25,599
to write her kind of a love poem so he

1848
01:33:32,490 --> 01:33:27,520
he goes

1849
01:33:36,480 --> 01:33:32,500
what's up following following that same

1850
01:33:38,910 --> 01:33:36,490
path up and comes to the hill and looks

1851
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:38,920
there is no village it's just a field

1852
01:33:43,980 --> 01:33:41,410
open field and he's just blown about

1853
01:33:48,510 --> 01:33:43,990
what where's the village so he goes back

1854
01:33:52,050 --> 01:33:48,520
into town and goes to the the bar and he

1855
01:33:55,710 --> 01:33:52,060
orders to drink and then he he has to

1856
01:34:00,960 --> 01:33:55,720
bartender is there a little village

1857
01:34:01,380 --> 01:34:00,970
nearby here and the bartender looks at

1858
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:01,390
him

1859
01:34:07,290 --> 01:34:04,560
oddly and said well there used to be one

1860
01:34:09,990 --> 01:34:07,300
it was called st. Catharines but that

1861
01:34:16,950 --> 01:34:10,000
was destroyed in the hurricane of 1780

1862
01:34:19,110 --> 01:34:16,960
and he said what and so he starts to

1863
01:34:20,820 --> 01:34:19,120
leave and the bartender calls after him

1864
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:20,830
hey and says hey if you want to find out

1865
01:34:27,540 --> 01:34:23,290
more about the st. Catharines there's an

1866
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:27,550
old there's an old Navy captain here and

1867
01:34:34,050 --> 01:34:31,210
he tells him or his addresses were his

1868
01:34:35,850 --> 01:34:34,060
address and he says this this man's

1869
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:35,860
ancestors used to live in that village

1870
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:37,930
and he's sort of the island historian he

1871
01:34:43,290 --> 01:34:40,810
can tell you about it so he he goes

1872
01:34:47,370 --> 01:34:43,300
there but finds that he finds the house

1873
01:34:49,740 --> 01:34:47,380
but the old captain is is in England on

1874
01:34:51,990 --> 01:34:49,750
a trip and he's going to be on for

1875
01:34:54,090 --> 01:34:52,000
several weeks so John goes back to the

1876
01:34:56,850 --> 01:34:54,100
ship and they leave Bermuda but several

1877
01:35:01,350 --> 01:34:56,860
months later he's back in Bermuda and he

1878
01:35:03,030 --> 01:35:01,360
goes and finds the captain and he it's a

1879
01:35:04,470 --> 01:35:03,040
little awkward at first because he tries

1880
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:04,480
to tell the captain he wants to know

1881
01:35:10,650 --> 01:35:08,410
about this st. Catharines and the

1882
01:35:13,890 --> 01:35:10,660
captain's kind of confused and then when

1883
01:35:17,220 --> 01:35:13,900
he tells him he's a you know he's is in

1884
01:35:19,350 --> 01:35:17,230
the Coast Guard and then you know and he

1885
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:19,360
then he feels a little more comfortable

1886
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:21,970
talking to him and he said okay and he

1887
01:35:34,110 --> 01:35:28,690
he opens up covered and pulls out a

1888
01:35:37,110 --> 01:35:34,120
couple of paintings and he said these

1889
01:35:40,210 --> 01:35:37,120
are my great-great-great grandparents

1890
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:40,220
that lived and died in

1891
01:35:49,310 --> 01:35:46,410
st. Catharines and John looks at the

1892
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:49,320
photos or the paintings and the woman

1893
01:35:55,070 --> 01:35:52,800
looks exactly like Barbara and he's just

1894
01:35:58,370 --> 01:35:55,080
blown away because he had he had this

1895
01:36:02,600 --> 01:35:58,380
feeling all along that well that he had

1896
01:36:04,610 --> 01:36:02,610
lived in that village and and they he

1897
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:04,620
and Barbara had talked about it while

1898
01:36:11,060 --> 01:36:07,890
they were there that maybe we we lived

1899
01:36:13,790 --> 01:36:11,070
here sometime you know it's just more of

1900
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:13,800
their fantasies and thinking about

1901
01:36:18,950 --> 01:36:16,050
having lived there in the past and here

1902
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:18,960
he sees a picture and it looks like her

1903
01:36:26,450 --> 01:36:23,010
hmm and what happened is that they got

1904
01:36:28,190 --> 01:36:26,460
caught in that hurricane it was the is

1905
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:28,200
called the great hurricane had killed

1906
01:36:34,010 --> 01:36:30,570
like 25,000 people swept through the

1907
01:36:34,670 --> 01:36:34,020
islands and completely destroyed that

1908
01:36:39,230 --> 01:36:34,680
village

1909
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:39,240
it was never rebuilt and the old

1910
01:36:47,570 --> 01:36:42,210
captain's great-great-grandmother she

1911
01:36:49,580 --> 01:36:47,580
died there and but a a Midway and she

1912
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:49,590
was very pregnant at the time and a

1913
01:36:54,050 --> 01:36:51,930
midwife came along and was able to cut

1914
01:36:56,480 --> 01:36:54,060
out the baby and save the baby the

1915
01:36:59,840 --> 01:36:56,490
babies serve actually survived and that

1916
01:37:04,760 --> 01:36:59,850
became his great great great grandma

1917
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:04,770
grandfather I think and so he he was a

1918
01:37:11,980 --> 01:37:07,920
descendant of the the last people who

1919
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:11,990
had lived in in st. Catharines and so

1920
01:37:19,930 --> 01:37:15,050
now John has this story

1921
01:37:23,900 --> 01:37:19,940
verified that he was in that village and

1922
01:37:26,990 --> 01:37:23,910
he he and Barbara had time traveled back

1923
01:37:28,730 --> 01:37:27,000
to that village and experienced that

1924
01:37:30,260 --> 01:37:28,740
village although they had it was odd

1925
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:30,270
that they had never seen ever saw a

1926
01:37:36,410 --> 01:37:32,610
single person at the time but yet it

1927
01:37:39,260 --> 01:37:36,420
wasn't just a mirage because they like

1928
01:37:41,870 --> 01:37:39,270
John said you I he said he grabbed that

1929
01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:41,880
door of that church and he heard that

1930
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:45,450
squeak and he felt it and he they sat on

1931
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:48,560
that wall of the the cemetery there and

1932
01:37:56,370 --> 01:37:53,650
so fascinating but he's exchanging let

1933
01:37:57,780 --> 01:37:56,380
meanwhile with Barbara but he doesn't

1934
01:38:00,030 --> 01:37:57,790
tell her that there's no village because

1935
01:38:04,319 --> 01:38:00,040
he doesn't want to want her to think

1936
01:38:08,180 --> 01:38:04,329
that he's crazy that you know he's

1937
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:08,190
trying to you he wants to continue his

1938
01:38:18,359 --> 01:38:14,910
exchanging letters with her and he's

1939
01:38:20,399 --> 01:38:18,369
writing love letters to her and then he

1940
01:38:22,229 --> 01:38:20,409
finally after this experience with the

1941
01:38:23,819 --> 01:38:22,239
captain he decides he's going to tell

1942
01:38:26,550 --> 01:38:23,829
her now that there's no village there

1943
01:38:28,740 --> 01:38:26,560
and he's about to to write the letter

1944
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:28,750
and he receives a letter from her and

1945
01:38:33,569 --> 01:38:32,320
it's a literal Dear John letter she says

1946
01:38:37,919 --> 01:38:33,579
don't write me anymore I'm getting

1947
01:38:41,220 --> 01:38:37,929
married to a man that she has been

1948
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:41,230
seeing and she's decided to just cut it

1949
01:38:46,410 --> 01:38:43,210
off with him and so he never had the

1950
01:38:49,700 --> 01:38:46,420
opportunity to tell her about it

1951
01:38:54,750 --> 01:38:49,710
so 30-some years go by and it's like

1952
01:38:58,740 --> 01:38:54,760
2006 2007 and so John starts doing some

1953
01:39:01,770 --> 01:38:58,750
research on the on the internet and he

1954
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:01,780
is able to track down the small town

1955
01:39:07,950 --> 01:39:04,449
that where he was sending the letters

1956
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:07,960
and he finds the the town newspaper and

1957
01:39:17,189 --> 01:39:11,530
he finds her wedding dates so he's able

1958
01:39:20,430 --> 01:39:17,199
to so he's able to find out what her

1959
01:39:21,930 --> 01:39:20,440
last name is and then he he tracked her

1960
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:21,940
married name and then he tracks her down

1961
01:39:29,339 --> 01:39:27,489
and locates her in Minnesota and gets

1962
01:39:33,990 --> 01:39:29,349
her telephone number and actually calls

1963
01:39:36,030 --> 01:39:34,000
her and leaves a message and then he

1964
01:39:38,220 --> 01:39:36,040
waits several hours and he wonders if

1965
01:39:41,819 --> 01:39:38,230
she's ever going to hear from her again

1966
01:39:44,339 --> 01:39:41,829
and then the the telephone rings and

1967
01:39:46,830 --> 01:39:44,349
it's her and he doesn't even know if

1968
01:39:50,250 --> 01:39:46,840
she's going to remember the experience

1969
01:39:52,979 --> 01:39:50,260
or remember him but she does she

1970
01:39:54,629 --> 01:39:52,989
remembers him and he's he says you

1971
01:39:58,680 --> 01:39:54,639
remember being in that that little

1972
01:40:01,770 --> 01:39:58,690
village and she says of course we sat by

1973
01:40:04,430 --> 01:40:01,780
the the cemetery there and then he tells

1974
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:04,440
her the whole story

1975
01:40:15,530 --> 01:40:09,810
the village doesn't exist and we'll what

1976
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:15,540
does she say well I so so then I got a

1977
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:17,250
hold of her because I wanted to verify

1978
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:20,880
this whole story myself and so I started

1979
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:23,130
exchanging emails with her as well and

1980
01:40:31,790 --> 01:40:26,970
and she says that she doesn't remember

1981
01:40:35,300 --> 01:40:31,800
ever talking about their that they had

1982
01:40:36,860 --> 01:40:35,310
lived there before while while she was

1983
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:36,870
there but she says I was nineteen years

1984
01:40:42,380 --> 01:40:38,850
old and I didn't even know what a past

1985
01:40:45,260 --> 01:40:42,390
life was then it was but now I'm into

1986
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:45,270
Buddhism and I'm very willing to accept

1987
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:48,090
the fact that John and I might have

1988
01:40:59,450 --> 01:40:52,770
lived in that village in the eighteenth

1989
01:41:04,400 --> 01:40:59,460
century so that is a very unusual story

1990
01:41:06,110 --> 01:41:04,410
and it's one of the best stories we have

1991
01:41:10,610 --> 01:41:06,120
here well do you think that do you think

1992
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:10,620
that deja vu is just a function of the

1993
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:12,570
brain or do you think that that is this

1994
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:21,090
sort of mental time slip at all I'm not

1995
01:41:34,370 --> 01:41:27,330
sure what deja boo' it could be you know

1996
01:41:37,670 --> 01:41:34,380
something that relates to like a

1997
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:37,680
different reality a like a parallel life

1998
01:41:44,540 --> 01:41:40,410
possibly that you're the temporarily

1999
01:41:49,130 --> 01:41:44,550
tuned into possibly the parallel life or

2000
01:41:51,620 --> 01:41:49,140
an alternate life who knows okay

2001
01:41:53,540 --> 01:41:51,630
yeah that's an amazing story I think and

2002
01:41:55,220 --> 01:41:53,550
I think the hurricane has something to

2003
01:41:59,090 --> 01:41:55,230
do with it I mean it took him back in

2004
01:42:00,440 --> 01:41:59,100
time 180 years and then and then it also

2005
01:42:05,390 --> 01:42:00,450
has something to do with the

2006
01:42:10,820 --> 01:42:05,400
reincarnation well yeah I mean I wonder

2007
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:10,830
if these time slips you know or he's

2008
01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:12,960
actually easier to happen to occur

2009
01:42:16,810 --> 01:42:15,600
because we're not living in necessarily

2010
01:42:20,500 --> 01:42:16,820
a linear

2011
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:20,510
universe of time but that perhaps we're

2012
01:42:24,670 --> 01:42:23,090
living multiple timelines at the same

2013
01:42:26,170 --> 01:42:24,680
time and therefore if you're just on

2014
01:42:28,030 --> 01:42:26,180
these sort of different dimensions you

2015
01:42:30,130 --> 01:42:28,040
you're really just slipping into this

2016
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:30,140
dimension and slipping back in you're

2017
01:42:35,260 --> 01:42:32,000
not necessarily going back and forth

2018
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:35,270
through time exactly well it could be

2019
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:37,970
that we have parallel lives and past

2020
01:42:45,970 --> 01:42:44,090
lives you know if you there's also the

2021
01:42:51,970 --> 01:42:45,980
concept that all time exists

2022
01:42:54,190 --> 01:42:51,980
simultaneously and maybe just we are in

2023
01:42:58,390 --> 01:42:54,200
our everyday world where we're thinking

2024
01:43:00,910 --> 01:42:58,400
in terms of past present and future but

2025
01:43:04,300 --> 01:43:00,920
with the concept that all time exists

2026
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:04,310
simultaneously maybe you could just like

2027
01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:06,650
you said just blip into another time

2028
01:43:13,180 --> 01:43:10,490
that you lived yeah I mean would you

2029
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:13,190
Bruce would would you um would you

2030
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:15,650
relive that experience if you could I'm

2031
01:43:23,340 --> 01:43:18,410
going through that that time slip or

2032
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:23,350
whatever it may have been no if I was

2033
01:43:31,870 --> 01:43:27,530
faced with that again I turn around as

2034
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:31,880
soon as the the the lenticular cloud

2035
01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:33,890
started building up I'd make an

2036
01:43:42,460 --> 01:43:38,480
immediate degree turn okay well all

2037
01:43:44,140 --> 01:43:42,470
right Emma have you gone back yeah well

2038
01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:44,150
I go back there all the time I'm not

2039
01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:46,490
fine like I used to because my depth

2040
01:43:52,060 --> 01:43:48,800
perception not so good anymore so it's

2041
01:43:55,390 --> 01:43:52,070
sort of grounded myself as far as flying

2042
01:43:59,910 --> 01:43:55,400
airplanes go with my daughter and

2043
01:44:04,900 --> 01:43:59,920
son-in-law have a 60 foot high speed

2044
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:04,910
yacht and we've been dab in money four

2045
01:44:10,930 --> 01:44:07,850
times now in the past six months we

2046
01:44:14,440 --> 01:44:10,940
chartered out I've been going to Bimini

2047
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:14,450
and Bimini has always been called a land

2048
01:44:21,130 --> 01:44:19,040
of legends and it is a part of a strong

2049
01:44:23,230 --> 01:44:21,140
part of the Bermuda Triangle there's

2050
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:23,240
been many many disappearances there and

2051
01:44:30,510 --> 01:44:25,610
there's always been legends there also

2052
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:30,520
but one of the legends is called

2053
01:44:37,890 --> 01:44:33,130
hailing whole and and back in the

2054
01:44:39,690 --> 01:44:37,900
sixties I will mountain guide bonefish

2055
01:44:45,570 --> 01:44:39,700
wiliest name was and he was also a

2056
01:44:49,740 --> 01:44:45,580
preacher and he discovered what he

2057
01:44:51,570 --> 01:44:49,750
called the healing Hall and I talked to

2058
01:44:53,790 --> 01:44:51,580
him about it shortly after word got out

2059
01:44:59,000 --> 01:44:53,800
that he had discovered something and

2060
01:45:02,340 --> 01:44:59,010
that was way back around 1965 and he

2061
01:45:05,550 --> 01:45:02,350
really got excited when I mentioned it

2062
01:45:07,710 --> 01:45:05,560
to him you know what had you discovered

2063
01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:07,720
you know and he said I call it the

2064
01:45:12,330 --> 01:45:09,760
healing hole I said what do you mean by

2065
01:45:15,810 --> 01:45:12,340
that he says he says you take people to

2066
01:45:21,090 --> 01:45:15,820
this hole in the mangroves on the edge

2067
01:45:24,930 --> 01:45:21,100
of the water and they swim in it and it

2068
01:45:26,850 --> 01:45:24,940
can cure their illnesses that's hard to

2069
01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:26,860
believe in but he went on and on him and

2070
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:29,170
I could tell he was very passionate

2071
01:45:35,070 --> 01:45:32,410
about it and I could tell well maybe he

2072
01:45:38,730 --> 01:45:35,080
really has something there and that was

2073
01:45:44,910 --> 01:45:38,740
so long ago so I was just there I got

2074
01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:44,920
back from Bimini yesterday and so the

2075
01:45:53,460 --> 01:45:48,370
day before that night on the on the boat

2076
01:45:57,270 --> 01:45:53,470
I slipped and fell and I got all kinds

2077
01:46:03,110 --> 01:45:57,280
of bruises on me and sore elbows and

2078
01:46:07,740 --> 01:46:03,120
knees hurting pretty bad aching back and

2079
01:46:10,350 --> 01:46:07,750
so I I hired a local native to take me

2080
01:46:13,020 --> 01:46:10,360
my grandson and son-in-law to the

2081
01:46:15,420 --> 01:46:13,030
healing hall and he had been there many

2082
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:15,430
times and and when I told him that I

2083
01:46:20,250 --> 01:46:18,610
knew bone fish really the the one who

2084
01:46:23,130 --> 01:46:20,260
found that he really got excited because

2085
01:46:24,750 --> 01:46:23,140
that was like his idol and bone fish

2086
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:24,760
really was the first one to take him to

2087
01:46:28,140 --> 01:46:26,770
the healing hole so he he took us there

2088
01:46:30,690 --> 01:46:28,150
is really interesting you had to go

2089
01:46:33,810 --> 01:46:30,700
through all these really neat channels

2090
01:46:35,970 --> 01:46:33,820
going through the mangroves it be able

2091
01:46:39,060 --> 01:46:35,980
to take up did you take some pictures as

2092
01:46:40,830 --> 01:46:39,070
here going through well we it was so

2093
01:46:44,190 --> 01:46:40,840
bright we couldn't find the camera

2094
01:46:53,730 --> 01:46:50,280
and so I had taken a picture of the

2095
01:46:56,370 --> 01:46:53,740
healing hole about 30 years ago and it's

2096
01:46:59,910 --> 01:46:56,380
in the quasars book for me to triangle

2097
01:47:01,920 --> 01:46:59,920
to an aerial photo of it and it's

2098
01:47:03,810 --> 01:47:01,930
changed quite a bit but it was out in

2099
01:47:05,220 --> 01:47:03,820
the open back then but now the mangroves

2100
01:47:10,430 --> 01:47:05,230
are growing over it because they spread

2101
01:47:13,740 --> 01:47:10,440
pretty rapidly so eight this old native

2102
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:13,750
bohemian took us to this strange hole in

2103
01:47:19,710 --> 01:47:17,050
the deep into mangroves and I'm gonna

2104
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:19,720
take a trail to get to it maybe 100

2105
01:47:22,470 --> 01:47:20,290
yards long

2106
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:22,480
going through the mangroves and and so

2107
01:47:29,700 --> 01:47:24,370
then we find this what they called the

2108
01:47:33,450 --> 01:47:29,710
healing home and as soon as the Mohamed

2109
01:47:34,950 --> 01:47:33,460
Mohamud native got there I could tell

2110
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:34,960
something was going on I mean his eyes

2111
01:47:38,990 --> 01:47:36,850
just started rolling back and it was

2112
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:39,000
thinking he was going to another world

2113
01:47:45,060 --> 01:47:41,770
and so he told us what to do and when

2114
01:47:48,930 --> 01:47:45,070
you take he said take your feet and

2115
01:47:51,300 --> 01:47:48,940
stick them down into the muck and so the

2116
01:47:54,180 --> 01:47:51,310
muck was real strange it had a

2117
01:47:57,240 --> 01:47:54,190
combination of mangrove leaves in and I

2118
01:48:00,270 --> 01:47:57,250
guess and really strange feeling but it

2119
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:00,280
it actually felt good and then the water

2120
01:48:07,380 --> 01:48:04,090
felt good and we were all just made a

2121
01:48:10,890 --> 01:48:07,390
super relaxed and it was a great

2122
01:48:13,980 --> 01:48:10,900
experience and so I'll never forget it

2123
01:48:17,670 --> 01:48:13,990
I'll be going back often to show other

2124
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:17,680
people and help them with their ailments

2125
01:48:23,100 --> 01:48:20,890
so like I was telling you I was all beat

2126
01:48:26,220 --> 01:48:23,110
up from that crash I fell down some

2127
01:48:30,180 --> 01:48:26,230
stairs and really hit hard really

2128
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:30,190
hurting and it was yes that was

2129
01:48:38,220 --> 01:48:33,010
yesterday so I just got back from

2130
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:38,230
bowling and I shot a 205 Hey

2131
01:48:45,860 --> 01:48:40,930
and I feel like a million bucks

2132
01:48:48,690 --> 01:48:45,870
I have no aches no pains putting there

2133
01:48:51,810 --> 01:48:48,700
yeah it's real I'm telling it's real

2134
01:48:53,220 --> 01:48:51,820
yeah so the healing Hall actually how is

2135
01:48:55,110 --> 01:48:53,230
it a hole I mean it's not real deep

2136
01:48:56,990 --> 01:48:55,120
water though is it you said you were

2137
01:49:01,290 --> 01:48:57,000
feeling in well

2138
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:01,300
he said it used to be deeper and bubbles

2139
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:02,410
used to come out of it

2140
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:05,050
and used to smell star and some people

2141
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:08,650
called it a sulfur hole hmm but it's no

2142
01:49:12,770 --> 01:49:10,330
telling how deep the muck went it was

2143
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:12,780
just like it was real thin muck I mean

2144
01:49:17,250 --> 01:49:15,489
probably you think about deep you think

2145
01:49:19,860 --> 01:49:17,260
you could find it by yourself No

2146
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:19,870
oh yeah sure oh yeah I'll never forget

2147
01:49:25,020 --> 01:49:22,239
the location of that it's locked in my

2148
01:49:27,870 --> 01:49:25,030
memory yeah yeah I mean I wonder what

2149
01:49:30,300 --> 01:49:27,880
kind of properties it had I mean perhaps

2150
01:49:35,220 --> 01:49:30,310
because of the substance it was a

2151
01:49:39,689 --> 01:49:35,230
detoxifying emergence but what else do

2152
01:49:40,590 --> 01:49:39,699
you think is the cause of its healing

2153
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:40,600
properties

2154
01:49:45,870 --> 01:49:43,690
I have no idea this is a lot of famous

2155
01:49:48,450 --> 01:49:45,880
people have gone there though and many

2156
01:49:50,700 --> 01:49:48,460
of them have claimed that it's helped

2157
01:49:53,250 --> 01:49:50,710
them some have had major illnesses and

2158
01:49:54,410 --> 01:49:53,260
claimed that it cured them and on the

2159
01:49:57,720 --> 01:49:54,420
way to the healing hole there's a

2160
01:49:59,729 --> 01:49:57,730
monument to Martin Luther King

2161
01:50:03,000 --> 01:49:59,739
apparently he had visited the healing

2162
01:50:08,850 --> 01:50:03,010
all to mmm and grow one of his fame

2163
01:50:12,689 --> 01:50:08,860
famous speeches in in Bimini well so do

2164
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:12,699
you think that I'm shifting the subject

2165
01:50:17,700 --> 01:50:15,250
back to the the original topic do you

2166
01:50:24,330 --> 01:50:17,710
think that there is a chance that we can

2167
01:50:29,100 --> 01:50:24,340
actually grasp the technology of time

2168
01:50:32,790 --> 01:50:29,110
warping whether it's actually just using

2169
01:50:35,100 --> 01:50:32,800
these pre-existing constructs or

2170
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:35,110
designing our own what means of

2171
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:38,560
transport definitely yeah we're almost

2172
01:50:42,900 --> 01:50:41,170
Sarah I believe this would yes what

2173
01:50:48,689 --> 01:50:42,910
David Perry's is working on in his

2174
01:50:50,220 --> 01:50:48,699
garage in in Nebraska well we all know

2175
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:50,230
that means some of the best inventions

2176
01:50:58,680 --> 01:50:56,880
now what about you guys I mean if you if

2177
01:51:00,780 --> 01:50:58,690
you were given the chance and I never

2178
01:51:03,919 --> 01:51:00,790
see didn't want to go back to that but

2179
01:51:07,680 --> 01:51:03,929
if you were given the chance to go

2180
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:07,690
inside a ship created by man would you

2181
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:09,890
be willing to go on a time warp

2182
01:51:18,850 --> 01:51:15,290
venture that all then yeah maybe Bruce

2183
01:51:22,270 --> 01:51:18,860
Lee had good control of it yeah what

2184
01:51:24,250 --> 01:51:22,280
about you Rob well I'm a little bit

2185
01:51:28,620 --> 01:51:24,260
worried I mean there look there's like

2186
01:51:31,330 --> 01:51:28,630
some new innovations coming in

2187
01:51:35,620 --> 01:51:31,340
commercial air flight where they they

2188
01:51:37,990 --> 01:51:35,630
now can have pilotless commercial planes

2189
01:51:40,210 --> 01:51:38,000
where they don't need pilots anymore and

2190
01:51:43,650 --> 01:51:40,220
they can the airlines can save billions

2191
01:51:48,430 --> 01:51:43,660
of dollars and my next-door neighbor is

2192
01:51:50,380 --> 01:51:48,440
and a pilot with American Airlines and I

2193
01:51:52,660 --> 01:51:50,390
asked him about that today and he said

2194
01:51:54,970 --> 01:51:52,670
he knew about it and it's it's coming he

2195
01:51:58,080 --> 01:51:54,980
said but I'll tell you thirty years of

2196
01:52:00,550 --> 01:51:58,090
flying I would never get in a pilotless

2197
01:52:03,130 --> 01:52:00,560
airplane he said there's too many things

2198
01:52:05,110 --> 01:52:03,140
that can go wrong right it seems like

2199
01:52:08,170 --> 01:52:05,120
there are too many times where a

2200
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:08,180
quick-thinking adaptive human being

2201
01:52:14,190 --> 01:52:11,570
actually saves the day so guys this is

2202
01:52:16,690 --> 01:52:14,200
it were towards the end of this show

2203
01:52:19,510 --> 01:52:16,700
you're listening to you paranormal now

2204
01:52:21,220 --> 01:52:19,520
and we're interviewing Bruce Gernon

2205
01:52:24,040 --> 01:52:21,230
and/or have interviewed Bruce Kernan and

2206
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:24,050
Rob MacGregor the authors of beyond the

2207
01:52:29,890 --> 01:52:25,850
Bermuda Triangle true encounters with

2208
01:52:32,110 --> 01:52:29,900
electronic frog not frogs electronic

2209
01:52:35,110 --> 01:52:32,120
that might be fun - electronic fog

2210
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:35,120
missing aircraft and time warps and any

2211
01:52:41,500 --> 01:52:36,530
last-minute worries before I let you go

2212
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:41,510
guys keep your eyes on this guy all

2213
01:52:45,430 --> 01:52:43,850
right there you go okay thank you again

2214
01:52:47,770 --> 01:52:45,440
for tuning in to paranormal now for the

2215
01:52:51,010 --> 01:52:47,780
inception radio network thank you Bruce

2216
01:52:54,370 --> 01:52:51,020
thank you rob thank you absolutely and I

2217
01:52:56,110 --> 01:52:54,380
want to thank Bob tarmac Jo champion and

2218
01:52:58,180 --> 01:52:56,120
MJ Lucas from the inception radio

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01:53:02,230 --> 01:52:58,190
network for making this show possible

2220
01:53:14,010 --> 01:53:02,240
and until next time but the mystery take

2221
01:54:30,480 --> 01:53:21,210
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01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:33,280
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